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Posted May 1, 2011 18:02 UTC (Sun) by dskoll (subscriber, #1630)
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Parent article: Poettering: Why systemd?

If it doesn't run on Windows it's NOT portable.

If it doesn't run on OS X then it's NOT portable.

Many Linux developers care only about UNIX-like systems. Windows is certainly not UNIX-like, and OS X is getting less and less UNIX-like with each release.

Bottom line: Windows and OS X aren't even on many Linux/UNIX developers' radars. They simply don't matter. (Sure, maybe in the mass market they're important, but in the little niche of UNIX/Linux software in which I'm content to work and play, Windows and Mac OS X are completely irrelevant.)

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Posted May 1, 2011 18:19 UTC (Sun) by HelloWorld (guest, #56129) [Link] (6 responses)

I guess it's because Mac OS X is getting less and less UNIX-like that it has been certified as a Unix by the Open Group.

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Posted May 1, 2011 18:25 UTC (Sun) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link]

Nobody in the real world takes that seriously.

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Posted May 1, 2011 21:22 UTC (Sun) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link] (3 responses)

That means it supports the usual system calls and command line utilities so you can get basic stuff to run on it. It doesn't vouch for the underlying philosophy.

Even Windows NT used to be POSIX certified, way back when, and nobody would have confused that with a real Unix.

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Posted May 2, 2011 13:32 UTC (Mon) by HelloWorld (guest, #56129) [Link] (2 responses)

The so-called "Unix philosophy" most of the time boils down to dogmatism and retrogressiveness, so I honestly couldn't care less about it. Cyberax summed it up pretty well here.

Unlike the people bullshitting about the "Unix philosophy", people like the Mac OS X developers and Lennart Poettering actually have visions about where they want the system to go, and they're not afraid to point out the suckiness of traditional system components like X11 or sysvinit. And this is the reason why Linux and Mac OS X thrive, while nobody gives a fuck about traditional Unix systems and their "philosophy" anymore.

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Posted May 2, 2011 14:40 UTC (Mon) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link] (1 responses)

The so-called "Unix philosophy" most of the time boils down to dogmatism and retrogressiveness, []

I would recommend you take a look at the Wikipedia page on »Unix philosophy«. That should disabuse you of that particular notion.

Note that there is nothing on that page that says »Don't go for better solutions to existing problems.« And with all philosophies, this stuff is not meant to encourage one to stop thinking on one's own. That way lies blind fanaticism.

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Posted May 2, 2011 15:19 UTC (Mon) by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784) [Link]

Having looked at that, I really fail to be persuaded that systemd violates Unix philosophy even half as severely as most of the Lennartware-haters say it does.

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Posted May 1, 2011 21:22 UTC (Sun) by dskoll (subscriber, #1630) [Link]

Exactly! You've finally figured out who is and who isn't relevant in the UNIX world.