Poettering: Why systemd?

Posted Apr 29, 2011 21:10 UTC (Fri) by viro (subscriber, #7872)
In reply to: Poettering: Why systemd? by mezcalero
Parent article: Poettering: Why systemd?

Screw that... RTFS(kernel/cgroup.c) and don't forget a _big_ barf-bag; you'll need it. Just having something merged into the tree does _not_ mean that it's not a festering pile of skunk excrements. After all, devfs had been there for a while. So's fanotify. Relying on it is a bad idea. Is that clear enough for you or would you need it spelled out in more details?

Poettering: Why systemd?

Posted Apr 29, 2011 21:15 UTC (Fri) by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784) [Link]

Relying on things that turn out to be steaming crocks sounds pretty Unixy too.

Poettering: Why systemd?

Posted Apr 30, 2011 1:20 UTC (Sat) by mezcalero (subscriber, #45103) [Link] (3 responses)

Hey, if it's really that bad (and I have no doubt it is), then it might be a good thing to fix, not one two continue whining about for years in the past and years to come.

Poettering: Why systemd?

Posted Apr 30, 2011 1:44 UTC (Sat) by viro (subscriber, #7872) [Link] (2 responses)

For values of fix including "rip the FPOS out"? Worked for devfs, eventually... Thanks for the "whining" bit, BTW - nothing like cheap potshots from an arrogant luser. You want it fixed? Be my guest, l-k is -> that way, patches (especially cleaning such a pile of crap up) are always welcome... _You_ want to use the damn thing; I'm perfectly fine configuring it out for all my boxen. IOW, you need to fix that abortion more than I do. Any additional questions?

We'll see :-)

Posted Apr 30, 2011 10:15 UTC (Sat) by khim (subscriber, #9252) [Link]

For values of fix including "rip the FPOS out"? Worked for devfs, eventually...

Well, it worked for devfs because few major distributions relied on it (as I can recall the only distribution which required the use of devfs was Gentoo... and it was not all that major). If systemd will be adopted widely enough cgroups will be kept around in one form or another. In the worst case it'll be just a fork which real distributions use and another one which is mainstream and which noone uses.

_You_ want to use the damn thing; I'm perfectly fine configuring it out for all my boxen. IOW, you need to fix that abortion more than I do. Any additional questions?

Yup. Why do you think users need a fix? As far as they are concerned the thing works. If (and when) you decide to rip "that abortion" out they will have a problem - or you will do. It depends on number of users, really. Upstream linux kernel is pretty much irrelevant for most users already (because there are more Android and embedded users then desktop users - and these kernels often diverge from upstream quite severely), I fail to see why sky will fall on earth if server and desktop will go this way too.

Poettering: Why systemd?

Posted Apr 30, 2011 13:08 UTC (Sat) by adobriyan (subscriber, #30858) [Link]

> Any additional questions?

What wrong with it?