Ubuntu 11.04 Beta 1 (Natty Narwhal) Released.

Posted Apr 1, 2011 5:26 UTC (Fri) by msspook (guest, #74011)
Parent article: Ubuntu 11.04 Beta 1 (Natty Narwhal) Released.

Ubuntu deserves credit for taking Linux forwards instead of backwards.

Fire the Gnome fools who have gained zero market share against Microsoft.

The Gnome project is a broken-by-design joke run by Red Hat and Novell.

Only idiots defend Gnome or apologize for it after a decade of failure.

Ubuntu 11.04 Beta 1 (Natty Narwhal) Released.

Posted Apr 1, 2011 5:39 UTC (Fri) by dowdle (subscriber, #659) [Link]

I feel comfortable calling you an Ahole... ahole.

Ubuntu 11.04 Beta 1 (Natty Narwhal) Released.

Posted Apr 1, 2011 7:28 UTC (Fri) by tajyrink (subscriber, #2750) [Link] (4 responses)

This stuff always brings to my mind conspiracy theories of intentionally fueling flame wars between different communities, but... never attribute to malice what can be (easily but sadly) explained by other factors.

It's quite easy to forget how majority of people simply act by feelings alone and decide sides purely on brand value, actually having little to no real information about anything they are talking about. That's probably also why it's quite easy to forget the importance of marketing, and partially why sometimes people do not understand why Ubuntu succeeded.

Ubuntu 11.04 Beta 1 (Natty Narwhal) Released.

Posted Apr 1, 2011 9:19 UTC (Fri) by dgm (subscriber, #49227) [Link] (2 responses)

You're being unfair. Ubuntu success is in part due to marketing, but the critical part is delivering something that works with as little fuss as possible. Without that, all the marketing in the world is worth nothing.

Over the years I have used quite some distros and, if I recall correctly, Ubuntu has consistently been the easiest to set up and operate. While other distros focused on purity, size, performance or being leading edge, Ubuntu did on "just working". This is the (not-so)secret sauce of Ubuntu success.

I'm not sure if the same applies today, as I have long stopped trying other distros. Ubuntu works for me, no need to shop around any more.

Ubuntu 11.04 Beta 1 (Natty Narwhal) Released.

Posted Apr 1, 2011 9:29 UTC (Fri) by jengelh (guest, #33263) [Link] (1 responses)

>You're being unfair. Ubuntu success is in part due to marketing, but the critical part is delivering something that works with as little fuss as possible.

On the contrary. Marketing is everything, who cares about whether it works. Just look at the past 20 years of the desktop. (And not forgetting that Debian actually delivered here.)

Ubuntu 11.04 Beta 1 (Natty Narwhal) Released.

Posted Apr 1, 2011 14:59 UTC (Fri) by dgm (subscriber, #49227) [Link]

> who cares about whether it works.

Most people do.

> Just look at the past 20 years of the desktop.

Ah, an implicit reference to Windows. Your definition of "works" may be different from that of most people. For the record, for me it basically means it does what needs to be done, without having to memorize a manual. It doesn't means do it in a safe way, or only with free tools, or the fastest way possible. Just get it done. And move on.

> And not forgetting that Debian actually delivered here.

Maybe all the pieces were available, but installing Debian and configuring it after that was NOT a task for the faint of heart. A collection of pieces a system does not make.

Ubuntu 11.04 Beta 1 (Natty Narwhal) Released.

Posted Apr 1, 2011 23:18 UTC (Fri) by zander76 (guest, #6889) [Link]

The man/woman has a point. I hate to say this but I choose KDE a long time ago because it was a nicer color. I like blue and white like sunny days with fluffy clouds instead of dark grays of rain and dread. I even use windowmaker but I have never gotten comfortable using gnome.

As far as Ubuntu I hadn't even heard of it until I needed to install it for a maemo project. After that I seem to hear about it all the time. They are doing a good job making it what people need to get there job done or they have a good marketing selling that.

Ubuntu 11.04 Beta 1 (Natty Narwhal) Released.

Posted Apr 1, 2011 10:07 UTC (Fri) by rvfh (guest, #31018) [Link] (6 responses)

I am starting to get tired of these trolls. Any chance that we could somehow filter them? Maybe we could set up an IQ test for guests to post, which obviously msspook would fail?

Ubuntu 11.04 Beta 1 (Natty Narwhal) Released.

Posted Apr 1, 2011 10:29 UTC (Fri) by zzxtty (guest, #45175) [Link] (5 responses)

I do find it more than a little odd when people start trolling this site, there is a certain comedy value in it but I'd agree it is becoming a little too regular.

How about implementing a no-posting from new guest accounts for 30/60 days from creation? I've lurked here for years and rarely post, I can't see such a system putting many people off, especially if they have genuine interest.

Ubuntu 11.04 Beta 1 (Natty Narwhal) Released.

Posted Apr 1, 2011 10:57 UTC (Fri) by cesarb (subscriber, #6266) [Link] (2 responses)

Some people register to comment on a particular story. For instance, if LWN is reporting on a new project you wrote, and you want to answer questions directly here. I believe I have seen this happen already in more than one story.

You do not need an account to lurk, so a lot of people will register only when they need to post.

Ubuntu 11.04 Beta 1 (Natty Narwhal) Released.

Posted Apr 1, 2011 11:49 UTC (Fri) by zzxtty (guest, #45175) [Link] (1 responses)

I don't disagree, I was just thinking of a quick dirty hack which would be simple to implement. A lot of the interesting comments seem to come up from the same old usernames, although there would be inconvenience I think it would be limited, however I have no idea if it would justify the benefit.

Another approach might be to let any paying subscriber delete any guest post for an account which is less than $x days old. I doubt it would be abused, sure we disagree with each other but it's usually good natured, I don't recall our exchanges ever escalating to handbags at dawn.

The simplest option is to leave everything as is and just have a good moan every now and again, this works for me!

Ubuntu 11.04 Beta 1 (Natty Narwhal) Released.

Posted Apr 1, 2011 12:18 UTC (Fri) by ean5533 (guest, #69480) [Link]

The last thing we need is Florian Mueller being able to delete our posts.

Ubuntu 11.04 Beta 1 (Natty Narwhal) Released.

Posted Apr 1, 2011 14:14 UTC (Fri) by ballombe (subscriber, #9523) [Link] (1 responses)

It would be much more efficient and less elitist to just

reject posts which use double interlines like this one.

I do not why but this is a sure sign of trolling.

Maybe they are taught to write this way at the Troll Academy.

After all it makes the post harder to read.

Ubuntu 11.04 Beta 1 (Natty Narwhal) Released.

Posted Apr 1, 2011 18:12 UTC (Fri) by mpr22 (subscriber, #60784) [Link]

Slight error: Every line of the troll was a complete sentence. Anyway, my assumption is that "msspook" is in fact the same person who previously trolled here under names including "haydn".