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What about IPv6 right here on earth?

What about IPv6 right here on earth?

Posted Jan 30, 2011 15:23 UTC (Sun) by jeleinweber (subscriber, #8326)
In reply to: What about IPv6 right here on earth? by tialaramex
Parent article: LCA: Vint Cerf on re-engineering the Internet

If you ask John Curran, CEO of ARIN, and current cheerleader for the IPv6 transition, he'll tell you that the lack of a good v4 to v6 transition strategy was indeed "horribly misconceived", and he said so back in 1994 when the IPng working group first blessed the 3-way merged "simple internet protocol plus" as IPv6. The working group was probably mislead by their memories of the 1981-83 transition of ARPANET from NCP onto TCP/IP v4. Also by the correct theory that a dual transition (v4 to v4+, followed by v4+ to v6) would be twice as expensive and hard to sell as a single transition to v6.

In that earlier transition we were dealing with a much smaller internet (<300 hosts), only 3 protocols (TELNET, FTP, SMTP), a single backbone (BBN), only research organizations as customers, and had a mandated flag day when NCP was turned off and you went off-net if you hadn't converted yet. While the current transition from v4 to v6 lacks all of those characteristics, which is part of what has slowed it, it does share the multiyear transition and immaturity of the new protocol stacks problems we saw last time. I think there will be a flag day eventually too, around 2020, but that will be after the transition already happened (2009-2015?) and after IP traffic on the internet is 99% v6 (2017?).

"The transition is going to be very painful because it makes good commercial sense that way ..."

Yes. But, since there are about to large numbers of users for whom native IPv6 is about to become better, faster, and cheaper than hard to get IPv4 with multiple layers of expensive NAT444 appliances, and the economics are finally going to flip. In the US bad experiences by future 4G smartphone dual-stack-lite (native v6, tunneled + carrier NAT44) customers with v4-only web sites is going to pressure content providers to dual-stack, which is going to pressure ISP's to dual-stack too. This is why the likes of Google, Netflix, Facebook, CNN, and soon Yahoo are already dual-stacked.


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What about IPv6 right here on earth?

Posted Jan 31, 2011 2:20 UTC (Mon) by dlang (guest, #313) [Link]

the IPv6 addresses may be easier to get, but since they are pretty close to useless why would anyone accept one instead of an address that looks to the rest of the Internet like it's IPv4 (either NAT444, NAT464, or just NAT44 like ISPs are using today). NAT64 + DNS64 are a possibility, but they are both bigger unknowns than the other NAT options, and a large number of consumer devices will not work on IPv6, so those customers can't use NAT64.


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