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Waiting for the predictable FM attack on Groklaw 3.2.1...

Posted Dec 10, 2010 10:35 UTC (Fri) by SilverWave (guest, #55000)
In reply to: Waiting for the predictable FM attack on Groklaw 3.2.1... by FlorianMueller
Parent article: About Those 882 Novell Patents: This is Where OIN Comes In (Groklaw)

>... it's not just about "disagreements" but about fundamental distrust and disgust.

I am amazed at such a level of vitriol given the high level of regard that Groklaw and PJ are generally held in.

I have perviouly found Groklaw articles to be very accurate and informative, e.g re SCO etc..

PJ seems mostly to see to the heart of the matter.

For instance recently you and PJ seemed to have opposite interpretations re TurboHercules.

Given the latest news from the The Financial Times: "Microsoft buys stake in IBM accuser", I think we can safely say that you were mistaken and that PJ called it correctly from day one.

So I would again call on you to stop the divisive attacks on Groklaw and concentrate on the real enemy.


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Waiting for the predictable FM attack on Groklaw 3.2.1...

Posted Dec 10, 2010 10:53 UTC (Fri) by FlorianMueller (guest, #32048) [Link] (9 responses)

given the high level of regard that Groklaw and PJ are generally held in.

Sounds a little bit like the logic of "a million flies can't be wrong." ;-))

My blog, although pretty new, is also held in high regard, particularly in the US legal community. Law.com recently pointed to "a really smart post at FOSS Patents" and the leading US patent law blog, PatentlyO, links to my "nice diagram" of Apple's patent fights with HTC and Motorola. So "high regard" can't serve as a defense for GroklXX.

I have perviouly found Groklaw articles to be very accurate and informative, e.g re SCO etc..

I didn't follow the SCO case in enough detail to be able to tell whether GroklXX's reporting was accurate. I kept my fingers crossed for the defendants all the time, and so did GroklXX, and I understand GroklXX predicted SCO's defeat early on, but I don't know whether it got all the facts right (one can arrive at the right prediction for all the wrong reasons).

For instance recently you and PJ seemed to have opposite interpretations re TurboHercules.
Given the latest news from the The Financial Times: "Microsoft buys stake in IBM accuser", I think we can safely say that you were mistaken and that PJ called it correctly from day one.

Sorry, but this is a non sequitur.

The IBM threat letters I published went back to March 2010 and November 2009 -- long before that Microsoft investment in TurboHercules apparently happened.

I never cared about whether Microsoft was or might be or would be involved with that case. I cared about the issue. I can't see that PJ would be right, particularly with her lie about IBM's pledge (with that speech that had nothing to do with the pledge and predated it by a number of months), just because of what now appears to be some kind of strategic partnership between that company and Microsoft.

Also, PJ believed that there was no antitrust issue there, but the European Commission launched formal investigations in July. So concerning the merits of the competition issues, time has proven me right. The Commission doesn't launch formal investigations (after taking a close look before doing so) without serious issues. The launch of an investigation doesn't mean that a company is guilty, but it does mean that rational people have good reasons to be profoundly concerned, just like I was.

So I would again call on you to stop the divisive attacks on Groklaw and concentrate on the real enemy.

It depends on what enemy you mean. The enemy I focus on primarily is disinformation because it prevents people from taking the right decisions and finding the best solutions.

Waiting for the predictable FM attack on Groklaw 3.2.1...

Posted Dec 10, 2010 12:18 UTC (Fri) by SilverWave (guest, #55000) [Link] (8 responses)

Well lets be quite blunt then:

Are you or have you been an agent of Microsoft?

Waiting for the predictable FM attack on Groklaw 3.2.1...

Posted Dec 10, 2010 12:26 UTC (Fri) by FlorianMueller (guest, #32048) [Link] (1 responses)

Well lets be quite blunt then:
Are you or have you been an agent of Microsoft?

I've received similar questions before and I will never answer such questions about any company. If I have relationships to announce, I will do so, such as when I worked with Monty on the MySQL merger case. There's nothing that I'd have to announce in the TurboHercules context.

It would be helpful if you could comment on what I wrote about the actual issues. Frankly, even if PJ were right with whatever conspiracy theories, what difference would it make? That still wouldn't justify telling people lies about IBM's patent pledge or misassessing the antitrust issues involved. I'd sign a deal any day of the week under which PJ would be right on all of the conspiracy theories and I would be right on all of the actual issues.

Waiting for the predictable FM attack on Groklaw 3.2.1...

Posted Dec 10, 2010 15:07 UTC (Fri) by SilverWave (guest, #55000) [Link]

>If I have relationships to announce, I will do so[...]

Well to help us remember your allegiance when you do, perhaps I could suggest the following helpful coding, (along the lines already suggested by yourself for Groklaw), e.g. FlorianMuellerXX where the XX are substituted with your current allegiance.

Until then you could be referred to as FlorianMuellerXX in posts and we can just mentally fill in the blanks ourselves for the time being, based on the most likely organisation for you to be working for.

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Posted Dec 10, 2010 15:04 UTC (Fri) by fuhchee (guest, #40059) [Link] (5 responses)

At least Florian is unquestionably a real person.
PJ only seems to have an electronic public existence.

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Posted Dec 11, 2010 8:50 UTC (Sat) by dlang (guest, #313) [Link] (4 responses)

so her public appearance last week was a fake then?

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Posted Dec 11, 2010 9:08 UTC (Sat) by dlang (guest, #313) [Link] (2 responses)

ops, I meant to type last month.

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Posted Dec 11, 2010 12:11 UTC (Sat) by fuhchee (guest, #40059) [Link] (1 responses)

[citation needed]

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Posted Dec 11, 2010 15:26 UTC (Sat) by FlorianMueller (guest, #32048) [Link]

He won't be able to present a citation because "PJ" is an avatar and has never appeared at any public event, not even last month's EFF awards ceremony as I explained in this reply here.

'PJ' is an avatar

Posted Dec 11, 2010 15:25 UTC (Sat) by FlorianMueller (guest, #32048) [Link]

so her public appearance last week was a fake then?

You corrected this with a follow-on message and meant "last month". So you meant the EFF awards. However, you are wrong. You can see here that "PJ" didn't attend the ceremony. Groklaw submitted a video. The EFF had a total of four winners. The other three accepted their award in person and their pictures were shown on the EFF website before the awards ceremony -- "PJ"'s picture has to date not been published anywhere on the Internet, nor is there any proof of "her" having attended any public event.

On page 20 of this document I expressed my views of the fact that "PJ" will probably never appear in person, given that "she" didn't even do it for the EFF ceremony.

Waiting for the predictable FM attack on Groklaw 3.2.1...

Posted Dec 13, 2010 13:35 UTC (Mon) by anselm (subscriber, #2796) [Link]

I have perviouly found Groklaw articles to be very accurate and informative, e.g re SCO etc..

That may well be the case, but Groklaw also appears to operate a tricky mechanism that can hide the contributions of unwelcome (to the site managers) commenters from every visitor except the commenter in question, without pointing this out to anyone concerned – neither the commenter nor the rest of the readership.

Personally, I find that any site that prefers this sort of tactics to addressing criticism openly and constructively is not a site that I want to frequent.


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