MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
We are just at the beginning of a massive change in the way we use
computers, and traditional desktops and laptops will be giving way to more
and more internet-connected devices—that's the vision presented in
two keynotes at the first ever MeeGo conference. But in order for that
vision to come about, there needs to be an open environment, where both
hardware and software developers can create new devices and applications,
without the innovation being controlled—often stifled—by a
single vendor's wishes. Doug Fisher, Intel's VP of the Software and
Services Group, and Nokia's Alberto Torres, Executive VP for MeeGo
Computers, took different approaches to delivering that message, but their
talks were promoting the same theme.
The conference was held November 15-17 at Aviva Stadium in Dublin, Ireland and hosted many more developers than conference organizers originally expected. It was very well put on, and at an eye-opening venue, which bodes well for future conferences. One that is more industry-focused is currently planned for May in San Francisco, while another developer-focused event is tentatively scheduled for November 2011 for somewhere other than the US.
"Strategic Freedom with MeeGo"
After an introduction by conference program committee chair Dirk Hohndel,
Fisher kicked off his talk with a rueful reminiscence of his talk at the
2005 Ottawa Linux Symposium, where the person running the slide deck exited
his presentation at the end, which put up a Windows desktop on the screen.
That wasn't particularly popular with the assembled Linux crowd, so he was
careful to show that he was presenting his slides using OpenOffice.org Impress
on MeeGo this time.
Over the next few years, there will be one billion new internet-connected users
and 15 billion connected devices, Fisher said. Intel and MeeGo want to ensure
that they meet the needs of that growing market. It is these new devices that
will be the main mechanism for connecting with the internet. They will
"surpass the traditional way you interact with the internet
".
And we are "just at the beginning of where this device environment is
going to go
".
There are two models that are being proposed for this new environment, one that
is controlled versus one that is open. The controlled environment is one
where a "single vendor provides the whole solution
". But lots
of people that want to innovate are outside of the box that the vendor has
set up. In these closed environments, business models and the implementation of
business models are controlled.
But, "the only way you can scale to all of those devices is to have an
open environment
", Fisher said. In the book Where Good Ideas Come From, author Steven Johnson "debunks the myth that great ideas come
from a single person
". Instead, it is a "social process as much
as a technology process
" to come up with these great ideas. Because
we don't have any time to waste to build this new device environment, "we
have to be able to work together
".
"A controlled environment with a box around it will not be able to
scale
", to the vast array of devices and device types that are coming.
But, Fisher cautioned, an open environment should not lead to fragmentation.
There is a responsibility to make the platform consistent, so that companies
can depend on it and make investments in it.
That is why MeeGo was moved under the Linux Foundation (LF), so that the LF
can be "the steward of MeeGo
". The governance of MeeGo is modeled
after how Linux is governed; there is no membership required and it is
architected in an open way. Both Intel and ARM chips are supported, and MeeGo
is constructed to "ensure we meet the needs of a broad type of
platforms
".
Inclusion, meritocracy, transparency, and upstream first
Fisher then turned the stage over to Carsten Munk, who is
known for his work on Nokia's Maemo and on the MeeGo N900 port.
MeeGo "is trying to do something that has never been done before
",
Munk said,
and there are four key elements to making it work: inclusion, meritocracy,
transparency, and upstream first. The inclusive nature of MeeGo was embodied
in the fact that he was on-stage with an Intel executive, as an independent
developer who works on MeeGo ARM. "The MeeGo way is to include
people
", he said.
When asked by Fisher if the project had been living up to the four ideals,
Munk said that it was "getting better over the last 8-9 months
",
but that "not everything is perfect
". There have been arguments
over governance and the like over that time, but the community is still
figuring things out. In addition to developing
MeeGo as an OS and MeeGo applications, the project is developing
"the MeeGo way of working
".
The upstream-first policy is "really important to avoid
fragmentation
", Fisher said after Munk left the stage. Avoiding
fragmentation is critical
for users and developers. Users want to be able to run their applications
consistently on multiple devices, while developers want to be sure they can
move to different vendors without rewriting their applications.
MeeGo is an OS that vendors can take and do what they want with it, but in order to call it MeeGo, it must be compliant with the MeeGo requirements. That ensures there is a single environment for developers. They can move their code from vendor to vendor, while avoiding the rework and revalidation that currently is required for embedded and other applications.
Intel wants to deliver the best operating environment for MeeGo, and power the best devices, which is why it has invested in the low-power Atom chip. As an example, he pointed to netbooks that are just getting better, some of which have MeeGo on them. There will be more and more of those in 2011 and 2012, Fisher said. In addition, Intel worked closely with Amino Communications on a MeeGo-based television set top box. What would normally take Amino 18 months to deliver was done in six using MeeGo.
One of the strengths of MeeGo is that in addition to allowing multiple
vendors to use it, it also enables multiple device types. Intel was
involved in helping with the MeeGo netbooks and set-top box that he
mentioned, but he also listed two other vendors using MeeGo, where Intel
wasn't involved at all. A German company that made a MeeGo-based tablet as
well as a company in China doing in-vehicle-infotainment (IVI) systems in
cars that are shipping now are examples of the "power of open
source
", he said. They took the code and made it work for their
devices and customers without having to ask for permission. The MeeGo
community is going to be
responsible for keeping that kind of innovation happening, he said.
One of the visions for MeeGo devices that was presented in a video at the beginning of the talk was the ability to move audio and video content between these devices. The idea is that someone can be watching a movie or listening to some music and move it to other devices, share it with their friends, and so on. Fisher had someone from Intel demonstrate a prototype of that functionality, where a video was paused on a netbook, restarted on a TV, then moved from there to a tablet.
That is an example of "the kind of innovation we need to drive into
MeeGo
", Fisher said. It's not just something that is unique and
innovative on a single device but, because it is MeeGo, it can move between
various devices from multiple vendors. It is a "compelling and
challenging opportunity
". Though it is an exciting vision for the
future, there is still a potentially insurmountable challenge which Fisher
left unsaid: finding a way to get the content industries on board with that
kind of ubiquitous playback and sharing.
It turned out that the MeeGo tablet used in the demo was a Lenovo IdeaPad—an Atom-powered tablet/netbook. Fisher said that one lucky developer in attendance would be receiving one. When the envelope was opened, though, the name on the inside was "Everyone", so Intel would be giving each conference attendee an IdeaPad. He left it to Hohndel to later deliver the bad news to the roughly 200 Intel and Nokia employees in attendance; there would be no tablets for those folks.
"MeeGo Momentum and the Qt App Advantage"
Torres started his talk by "dispelling rumors
" that Nokia
might not be committed to MeeGo. He pointed to comments made by new CEO
Stephen Elop that reiterated Nokia's commitment. Nokia plans to deliver a
"new user experience
" using MeeGo, Torres said. Furthermore,
he believes that we are "redefining the future of computing
"
with the advent of widespread internet-connected mobile devices, and MeeGo
has all the
elements to foster that redefinition.
He looked back at some of the history of computers, noting that in the 1940s IBM's Thomas Watson suggested there was a total worldwide market for five computers. Since that time, the market has grown a bit, but that the command line limited the use of computers to fairly technical users. In the 1970s, when Xerox PARC adopted the mouse and an interface with windows and icons, that really changed things. That interface is a far more human way to interact with a computer, and it is largely the same interface that we have today.
Moving away from the command line meant that you didn't have to be an
expert to use a computer and got people "starting to think about
every home having a computer
". Today, almost every home in the
developed world does have a computer. Beyond that, smartphones are
computers in our pockets, which allows computers to go places they never
went before. But we haven't figured out major new ways to interact with
those devices. That is good, because it allows us to define it, he said.
There are advances being made in touch devices using gestures and in
motion-sensing gaming interfaces, both of which are more natural to use.
He said that his daughter, who is not yet 2 years old, can do things with
his smartphone, like use the photo gallery application. Gestures are
"bringing computing to a level that is far more intuitive
",
which is leading to the idea of even more computers in the home. We may
not call them computers, he said, but instead they will be called cars or TVs.
All of these different devices need to work together in an integrated way, with
interfaces that work in a "human way
". One of the strengths
of MeeGo is that
it was created from the start to go on all of these different kinds of
devices. He believes we are going to see a proliferation of devices with
MeeGo, and with many different interaction models: driving a car,
playing a game or video in the back of the car, at home watching TV, and so
on.
Qt for application development
Torres then shifted gears a bit to talk about Qt. It is much more than just a library, he said, it is a development platform incorporating things like database access, network connectivity, inter-object communication, WebKit integration, and more. He said that Qt enables C++ programmers to be four times more productive in developing code, and he expects the addition of Qt Declarative UI to increase that, perhaps as far as a 10x productivity increase.
Qt is also multi-platform and is used "everywhere
". It
started out as a desktop platform, but is on "all kinds of devices
today
". As an example of that, he had another Nokia employee
demonstrate the same application running on MeeGo, Windows, Symbian, and
embedded Linux. The animated photo browsing application was developed
using Qt Quick, and
could be run, unmodified, on each of the platforms. A Qt Quick application
can be placed on a USB stick and moved between the various devices.
Nokia is a company that makes devices, and it "wants to put devices
into people's hands that they fall in love with
". MeeGo offers them
a great opportunity to do that because of its "unique innovation
model
", which includes both openness and differentiation. Companies
like Nokia, mobile phone carriers, TV makers, and so on can add things on
top of the MeeGo platform to make themselves stand out. It might be a
different user experience or add-on services that are added to
differentiate the device, but that can be done on top of a non-fragmented
platform with stable APIs. This allows those companies to express their
creativity and brand without fragmentation.
The plan for Nokia is to provide "delicious hardware
", with
great connectivity, and a "fantastic user experience
" on top.
He again noted Nokia CEO Elop's statement that Nokia would be delivering a
new standard for user experience on mobile devices. There are those who
think that the user experience for devices has already been decided, but he
pointed out that it took decades to decide on the standard interface for
driving a car—"and we may not be done
", noting that
alternatives for car interfaces may be on the horizon.
"Creating a set of devices that are so cool that developers want to
develop for them
" is the approach Nokia and others are taking with
MeeGo, Torres said. Some of those devices will be announced by Nokia in
2011. Given the growth in the MeeGo community, Torres joked that next
year's MeeGo developer conference might need to use the outdoor part of the
stadium to hold all of the attendees.
While there was much of interest in the visions presented, it is still
an open question how many hackable MeeGo devices will become available.
There wasn't anything said in the keynotes about devices that can be
altered by users with their own ideas of how their MeeGo device should
work. Instead, the focus was clearly on the kinds of things that MeeGo
enables device manufacturers to do, without any real nod toward user
freedoms. With luck, there will be some device makers who recognize the
importance of free devices and will deliver some with MeeGo.
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Posted Nov 17, 2010 20:50 UTC (Wed)
by nix (subscriber, #2304)
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Furthermore, where is the bandwidth for all these mobile devices going to come from? The airwaves are already clogged, and are projected to be clogged in no time flat even if the spectrum from the TV switchoff were entirely to be given to mobile-device dataflow, which is not happening.
Ah well. We're in the new world, in which developer conferences are given by executive VPs. Expecting logic rather than marketing from people like that is surely unrealistic, but they could have tried to make the marketing figures not obviously ridiculous.
Posted Nov 17, 2010 22:03 UTC (Wed)
by dmarti (subscriber, #11625)
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Posted Nov 17, 2010 23:08 UTC (Wed)
by martinfick (subscriber, #4455)
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Posted Nov 18, 2010 16:27 UTC (Thu)
by nix (subscriber, #2304)
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Posted Nov 18, 2010 17:41 UTC (Thu)
by martinfick (subscriber, #4455)
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Possible sources of an average 3 devices a person (note that he did not say wireless): 1 home PC, 1 work PC, 1 laptop (work or home), 1 smartphone, 1-2 tablets, 1 set top box, 1 home automation device (sprinklers, thermostat...), 1 in car device...
You don't have to agree to this vision, but I would hardly say that it is a ludicrous claim. Someone in his position has to make an estimate, what's yours?
Posted Nov 18, 2010 20:44 UTC (Thu)
by jzbiciak (guest, #5246)
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Right, but the original statement said 1 billion new users to go with those 15 billion connected devices, not 5 billion total users: The assertion was that 15 billion total devices is comical even if you add 1 billion new users. To get to 5 billion total users adding only 1 billion new users, that means you need 4 billion users today, which sounds a bit high. Even if you assume there are 1 billion users today (which I don't think there are), that only gets you to 2 billion. Suppose we round it to around 10 connected devices per person. (This assumes 1.5 billion people connected, new and existing. It's also a nice, round number.) That's a lot of devices. Per person, you'd need something like this to get to 10 devices: a cell phone, laptop, office phone, TV, automobile, dishwasher, refrigerator, game system, home management system (ie. lights/security/temperature) and utility monitoring system (ie. smart meter). Per person. That seems a bit much.
Posted Nov 19, 2010 1:17 UTC (Fri)
by martinfick (subscriber, #4455)
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> Even if you assume there are 1 billion users today (which I don't think there are), that only gets you to 2 billion.
This article claims ~2 billion users connected today:
http://www.internetworldstats.com/stats.htm
Interestingly enough, Asia has more connected users than the western world ~825M, but there penetration is only 21%, and in North America it is 77%. So, if you simply bring Asia up to %50 penetration, you would have already added close to 1 billion users (50% of today). That would be 3 billion, since 6b - 3b = 3 billion left to grow, 1 billion growth may in fact be low, conservative, actually.
Now, lets look at devices, this article claims 5 billion devices already:
http://www.circleid.com/posts/internet_connected_devices_...
5b devices with 2b users, an average of 2.5 devices per user.
Now, let's assume that all the current users only double their device usage (I would expect more). That would make 5b x 2 = 10b devices, close enough certainly to not make his claim ludicrous. Add 50% more Asian users to the equation at the same device rate, and boom 15b devices! Not far fetched at all. Again, this seems conservative to me, and it arrives at his estimate.
I have a feeling that users will actually do more than doubling their devices. Internet devices have typically been in the $500-$1000+ range. They are approaching the $100 on the low end now, this is a massive difference and will likely easily more than double the current # of devices per user and could greatly impact penetration also.
Given some facts, show me logic that would make his prediction seem ludicrous.
> Right, but the original statement said 1 billion new users to go with those 15 billion connected devices, not 5 billion total users:
No, while he could mean what you think he means, it would be a small leap to assume that. I don't read it that way. I do not think that he associated the 1 billion new users with those 15 billion connected devices. I believe those were two independent predictions, related only in context, not a strict causation. I could be wrong about my interpretation, but clearly it is a valid one given that sentence, and (as you would likely agree) it certainly makes more sense given the numbers.
After reading this article, I suspect that his prediction was by 2015. Note, that the Ericsson CEO thinks that there will be 50b connected devices by 2020:
http://gigaom.com/2010/04/14/ericsson-sees-the-internet-o...
Posted Nov 19, 2010 4:27 UTC (Fri)
by jzbiciak (guest, #5246)
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Well, it certainly makes more sense when you actually show your work. :-) As Carl Sagan once said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. While this was more simply counterintuitive than extraordinary, it's still much easier to accept and understand now with references.
Posted Nov 19, 2010 4:31 UTC (Fri)
by jzbiciak (guest, #5246)
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Posted Nov 18, 2010 4:36 UTC (Thu)
by ccurtis (guest, #49713)
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1) Desktop computer
In actuality I also have 2 laptops and 2-3 desktops that I don't use and am not counting. Modern TVs are internet connected, as are modern stereos. I expect modern MP3 or portable video players are as well.
In a very short time I expect cars will be connecting to Hot Spots to get traffic information, so I also expect some GPS devices to be internet connected as well. E-Book readers fall into this category as well, and as the electrical infrastructure gets smarter, virtually _every_ device using electricity will also become a "connected device".
I'm not really a 'gadget guy' so I expect that many people here have more items than the mere 6 that I listed and counted. Although I expect there will be some 'device consolidation' with time, it won't match the number of devices that gain connectivity.
Posted Nov 19, 2010 4:36 UTC (Fri)
by thoffman (guest, #3063)
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1) Homebuilt file server/home entertainment PC.
Within a year I guess we'll have a tablet or two, and 12 ip addresses.
Posted Nov 18, 2010 6:59 UTC (Thu)
by ekj (guest, #1524)
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It's that a) there will be one billion new users. And b) these users, plus the existing users, will increase the device-count by 15 billion.
Thus, if there's a total of 3 billion users (including the new billion), then each user needs on the average 5 devices more that are online-capable than they have today.
This seems not at all unreasonable, but depends a bit on the interpretation of "next few years" offcourse.
At the moment, we're mostly talking computers and infrastructure. (servers, laptops, routers, desktops) but in the western world, other devices are coming online now.
TVs come with internet-access built in. (atleast DLNA, sometimes more) Mobile phones come with internet as a core function. Cars hook up trough the mobile-phone. Radios become internet-radio-capable. Printers get their own ip-address and hook up to the wlan at home. home-security-systems become accessible over tcp/ip. Automation means tcp/ip may become involved when you press a *lightswitch* in your home. Digital cameras get wlan-access, in order to make the pics downloadable without needing a cable.
None of this is the future. This is tech that's at the early-adopter stage in the rich parts of the world NOW. I ain't counted, but I'm positive there's in excess of 25 devices in my home that speak tcp/ip, and if we include the devices I and my wife use exclusively at work, you can add another handful.
We're not typical - but I find it entirely plausible that when we've got probably 30 devices TODAY, that the average western rich-person will have 10 of them inside of the decade.
Now, not all of these devices are nessecarily globally reachable, some of them live on their own internal network that may or may not be connected to the global internet, but even when it is, there's typically NAT between, so they all appear as a single ip on the net. Nevertheless, if a device is capable of pinging lwn.net, I think it's reasonable to say the device is online.
Posted Nov 17, 2010 20:50 UTC (Wed)
by iabervon (subscriber, #722)
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Posted Nov 17, 2010 21:43 UTC (Wed)
by modernjazz (guest, #4185)
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Posted Nov 17, 2010 23:26 UTC (Wed)
by drag (guest, #31333)
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Pray tell; were should computers be?
Also improving the desktop and improving other types of computers are not mutually exclusive.
Posted Nov 17, 2010 23:50 UTC (Wed)
by iabervon (subscriber, #722)
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Posted Nov 19, 2010 12:14 UTC (Fri)
by wookey (guest, #5501)
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Those car computers are increasingly getting wireless interfaces (not entirely a good thing) and will no doubt be online too soon.
As to the 15 billion - as several people have pointed out this is no exaggeration. Once you include every car-charging point, smart meter, smart device (in white goods and heating), every wind turbine, security camera, utility monitoring point (power, gas, water) as well as everyone's personal and work gagetry, and all the vehicles, there are going to be a _lot_ of devices on the net. (and enormous opportunities for hacking and cracking).
Posted Nov 19, 2010 16:39 UTC (Fri)
by iabervon (subscriber, #722)
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Posted Nov 24, 2010 16:12 UTC (Wed)
by n8willis (subscriber, #43041)
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Nate
Posted Nov 24, 2010 16:25 UTC (Wed)
by nye (subscriber, #51576)
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So the fuel injection system gets to watch The Simpsons? :P
As someone else said upthread, "I think you are conflating 'computer' and 'display screen'".
GP was talking about the computers that actually *control* the car, not extra devices that you can add in for entertainment but aren't intrinsically *car* computers.
I think he was intending simply to point out that nobody is proposing running an entertainment system on the computers that control critical operations, so including them in the count is arguably unfair.
Posted Nov 24, 2010 19:15 UTC (Wed)
by n8willis (subscriber, #43041)
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And there's not a bright line separating the "entertainment" front-end from the the location/safety/other systems -- they are all interconnected. Your audio player must be able to override a music stream to play an alert when the proximity sensor detects that you're backing up into another car. Your hands-free phone support allows you to keep your fingers safely on the wheel, but it has to overlay video message pop-ups onto the same screen displaying your turn-by-turn navigation, which also has to overlay a message when the tire gauge detects low pressure. The same networking stack that delivers IP radio also must route sensor data to and from the roadside assistance service. You disconnect all of those systems and you don't have a working system at all.
Nate
Posted Nov 24, 2010 19:46 UTC (Wed)
by dmarti (subscriber, #11625)
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What the dealers need is an in-car platform for selling upgraded entertainment devices that locks out the aftermarket. So you wire in some safety-critical systems to the same network, then you have an excuse to make it dealer-only.
Posted Nov 24, 2010 20:59 UTC (Wed)
by n8willis (subscriber, #43041)
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What percentage of car owners ever replace their factory head unit? Most of the people I know don't have an aftermarket audio unit; they definitely don't install RSE video units in great numbers.
There are a lot of makers that sell-up their higher-end models by advertising things like Alpine/Monsoon/Whoever speakers & head units, plus satellite radio compatibility. I suspect that they get a non-zero chunk of the satellite and navigation monthly service fee as revenue, too. Over 8 years, that ongoing revenue stream is better than whatever their margin is on a particular head unit. Plus by maintaining good working relationships with the head-unit OEMs, they get year-after-year business on the new models. Ticking them off by locking out 3rd-party upgrades can't be worth that.
Anyway it seems like car makers and head-unit OEMs *are* interested in some standards; that's what MOST is for, and XM/Sirius makes lots of add-on units to retrofit different brands.
The interesting thing to me was when Rudolf Streif said that carmakers are wanting to leverage their IVI systems as "app platforms" like the smartphone market is giddy on. There may not be a ton of possibilities for driver-facing apps (though I'm sure the 4square types are already dreaming up something useless), but rear-seat gaming is sure to garner some sales. Anyway, it almost necessitates a replaceable "IV unit" to upgrade processing power and network standards. That would be a real big change. In any case, the IVI working group already talks about separating vehicle sensors and data from the head unit, connecting them instead on existing bus standards like CAN.
We'll all see who's still impressed with the locked-in, Ford-only nav unit they can get today ... when 2017 rolls around.
Nate
Posted Nov 24, 2010 19:56 UTC (Wed)
by iabervon (subscriber, #722)
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For that matter, the average desktop computer probably has a dozen parts which are computers in the traditional "car computer" sense, and it would be nuts to consider running Linux on them (or having the main system take over their functions). You're not going to run MeeGo on your optical mouse, or have your optical mouse provide light-sensor data to the CPU; similarly, the IVI system is not going to handle all of the processing needs within a car.
There are two simultaneous processes going on: people are putting recognizable computers (operating system, multiple independent programs, user interaction, system image with processes and dynamic memory allocation and such) in more places; and people are replacing physical mechanisms with software implementations on special-purpose hardware (with general-purpose processor architectures). Both of these lead to there being lots more computers in the world, but it's the first and not the second that's relevant here.
Posted Nov 24, 2010 21:13 UTC (Wed)
by n8willis (subscriber, #43041)
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Besides, if the central IVI box that is connected by CAN bus or whatever to the ECU, the sensors, the security system, etc. *is* running MeeGo, when those other systems are essentially microcontrollers, how is "the computer" *not* "running MeeGo"? Do you say that your desktop box "isn't running Linux" because there's someone else's code running in the BIOS, the hard disk firmware, DVD drive, and Ethernet ROM?
Nate
Posted Nov 24, 2010 22:01 UTC (Wed)
by iabervon (subscriber, #722)
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Posted Nov 24, 2010 23:07 UTC (Wed)
by dmarti (subscriber, #11625)
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Posted Nov 29, 2010 15:28 UTC (Mon)
by nix (subscriber, #2304)
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Posted Nov 17, 2010 21:00 UTC (Wed)
by hingo (guest, #14792)
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Posted Nov 18, 2010 0:09 UTC (Thu)
by klbrun (subscriber, #45083)
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Posted Nov 18, 2010 11:34 UTC (Thu)
by zmower (subscriber, #3005)
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As for openness, I will have only two criteria : can I still get root and is most of the source available. Given that these are both true for N900 I'm hoping that it will remain true for future meego devices from Nokia.
Posted Nov 18, 2010 12:11 UTC (Thu)
by Tronic (guest, #59702)
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The CPU and other specs of N900 are perfectly fine but 256 MB RAM simply isn't enough for modern desktop Linux which is what Maemo and Meego are.
Posted Nov 24, 2010 13:24 UTC (Wed)
by Tuna-Fish (guest, #61751)
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Posted Nov 18, 2010 18:45 UTC (Thu)
by BenHutchings (subscriber, #37955)
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Posted Nov 18, 2010 1:54 UTC (Thu)
by paulj (subscriber, #341)
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Posted Nov 18, 2010 4:30 UTC (Thu)
by paulj (subscriber, #341)
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Posted Nov 19, 2010 15:51 UTC (Fri)
by marcH (subscriber, #57642)
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Posted Nov 18, 2010 3:51 UTC (Thu)
by mfedyk (guest, #55303)
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yes, except when you want to make a derivative like smeegol...
Posted Nov 18, 2010 8:26 UTC (Thu)
by tajyrink (subscriber, #2750)
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Posted Nov 18, 2010 15:06 UTC (Thu)
by ewan (guest, #5533)
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Because of this, I imagine.
Posted Nov 18, 2010 15:48 UTC (Thu)
by tajyrink (subscriber, #2750)
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Fedora, Ubuntu etc. are similarly restricted in trademark use, and it's generally a very good thing for users to not be able to confuse unofficial releases/software products with the official ones. That's why we have stuff like Linux Mint.
Posted Nov 25, 2010 21:15 UTC (Thu)
by jospoortvliet (guest, #33164)
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Posted Nov 19, 2010 12:20 UTC (Fri)
by job (guest, #670)
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The user empowerment which is the result of open source is what we truly desire. But when its use is driven by a different agenda it is not clear that the result is desirable to us at all. This is something that really should be present in all discussions surrounding MeeGo, Android and similar.
I have an Android phone which has some misfeatures I would like to correct, but there seems to be no possible way of pushing my patches upstream. Even if there was, there is no way for me to rebuild the software since it contains proprietary parts. And if I buy an infotainment system for my car built from MeeGo and want to add some missing feature, and all these hurdles are fixed and I can rebuild the software, what good does it do if I can't reflash the device?
There is a bigger picture here that musn't be forgotten just because big companies shows up to the party with shiny new hardware.
Posted Nov 25, 2010 21:17 UTC (Thu)
by jospoortvliet (guest, #33164)
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Posted Nov 19, 2010 12:55 UTC (Fri)
by stevem (subscriber, #1512)
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A disaster of a project...
Posted Nov 19, 2010 21:09 UTC (Fri)
by ajross (guest, #4563)
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MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
Over the next few years, there will be one billion new internet-connected users and 15 billion connected devices
This number is just comical. That's well over two devices for every living human, or, given his own figures, ten to fifteen devices per each one of those new users. I can just see it in the Western world (laptop and phone-that-does-everything, plus a few hundred million at most for infrastructure, servers and the like), but outside the western world... well, mobiles are ubiquitous, but it's not one per person, not at all, and that seems fairly unlikely to change in such a short timespan (if a village has one or two phones, they get enormously more benefit than if they have none: if they have ten times as many they don't get much extra benefit but it costs a lot).
There's going to be a lot of "connected" machinery that's not the personal property of a user and that won't hog as much bandwidth as a user uploading videos or playing ARFPS games. Surveillance cameras in every public space, an RFID scanner in every shopping cart and every manufacturing station, "smart meters" for electricity, water, and gas, every nuclear power is going to need new SELinux uranium centrifuges of course, and probably towns on tight budgets are going to use a Tire Pressure Monitoring System-based scanner on every block and every parking space to catch any fineable traffic or parking infraction. 15 billion is on the low side, I tell you.
15 billion?
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
Over the next few years, there will be one billion new internet-connected users and 15 billion connected devices, Fisher said.
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
>> Over the next few years, there will be one billion new internet-connected users and 15 billion connected devices, Fisher said.
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
2) Wireless Router
3) Cable Modem
4) Wireless Printer
5) Android Cell Phone
6) Nintendo Wii
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
2) Samsung 750-series TV
3) Blu-Ray player (not sure of OS)
4,5) 2 Android phones
6,7) 2 Linux laptops,
8) Linksys WiFi router
9) Vonage VoIP router
10) Cable modem
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
Nearly everyone's car that is less than 10 years old (in the western world) has a computer in. Only a few of those have a prius-style display screen full if interesting stuff. Most have a pretty conventional dashboard. I assume you would agree that traditional dashboard info (including a fuel-consumption-meter) is acceptably distracting?
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
8 years, dealer upgrades
8 years, dealer upgrades
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
Lost drivers are more at risk of an accident, and changing CDs/cassettes/radio stations is in the top 10 for distractions. So a good car computer with nav software that gives accurate directions (with plenty of time to change lanes) and a good predictive audio system could make things safer. (Turning the dashboard into a conventional PC desktop would probably make things worse.)
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
While there was much of interest in the visions presented, it is still an open question how many hackable MeeGo devices will become available. There wasn't anything said in the keynotes about devices that can be altered by users with their own ideas of how their MeeGo device should work. Instead, the focus was clearly on the kinds of things that MeeGo enables device manufacturers to do, without any real nod toward user freedoms. With luck, there will be some device makers who recognize the importance of free devices and will deliver some with MeeGo.
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
Actually, Nokia has been very good in this area with Maemo. I remember some design spec for DRM they had, where they had put a lot of thought into how a user can turn it off.
Now: turning off DRM of course renders some protected content unavailable, and operators will do nasty things... but I fully expect Nokia to deliver hackable devices to us, yes.
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
Why do you say so?
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
Implications of free software in embedded
Implications of free software in embedded
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo
