Exaggeration
Exaggeration
Posted Sep 22, 2010 22:20 UTC (Wed) by foom (subscriber, #14868)In reply to: Exaggeration by dbruce
Parent article: A constantly usable testing distribution for Debian
- Python 2.6 (not 2.7, released Jul 3)
- Linux 2.6.32 (not 2.6.33-2.6.35, 2.6.33 released Feb 24)
- GCC 4.4 (not 4.5, released Apr 15)
- Firefox 3.5 (not 3.6, released Jan 21)
- Thunderbird 3.0 (not 3.1, released Jun 24)
So, by your measures, Squeeze is not yet 0 years old, but if you measure by firefox version included, it's already 8 months out of date and it hasn't even been released yet.
I don't have a major problem with that; I use Debian on all my machines -- stable (lenny) on most of them. And basically the only software I've upgraded on those is emacs23 and linux 2.6.32.
But it does seem somewhat of a shame that it takes so long to stabilize things and get a release ready after starting to freeze packages, that much of the software is 6+ months out of date at the day of release. Maybe CUT will help with that.
Posted Sep 23, 2010 15:04 UTC (Thu)
by juliank (guest, #45896)
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> - Linux 2.6.32 (not 2.6.33-2.6.35, 2.6.33 released Feb 24)
> - GCC 4.4 (not 4.5, released Apr 15)
> - Firefox 3.5 (not 3.6, released Jan 21)
Posted Sep 26, 2010 14:15 UTC (Sun)
by pgquiles (guest, #70318)
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Ubuntu 10.10 already has Python 2.7
http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=python2.7
>> - GCC 4.4 (not 4.5, released Apr 15)
Ubuntu 10.10 already has gcc 4.5
http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=gcc-4.5
If Ubuntu can develop something quite stable with 6-month release cycles and 2-month stabilization cycles, why can't Debian try it? (openSuse has 9-month release cycle and also works well for them)
Posted Sep 26, 2010 14:34 UTC (Sun)
by juliank (guest, #45896)
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> Ubuntu 10.10 already has gcc 4.5
Debian has those packages as well, in experimental. In Ubuntu, there is no thing such as experimental, so it needs to be in maverick in order to be in Ubuntu.
Posted Sep 30, 2010 17:49 UTC (Thu)
by pboddie (guest, #50784)
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I suppose using something like Python 2.5 (as I do on the semi-supported Kubuntu 8.04 release) occasionally results in brushing up against code written needlessly against Python 2.6-or-later features, but quite a lot of that can be fixed quite quickly, especially if that code is limited to people doing stupid things with setuptools instead of just providing sane distutils stuff in their setup scripts. Really, Python 2.6 is the launchpad release for people jumping to 3.x, with 2.7 being the successor in that regard, plus extra gravy. Your other examples are somewhat better, however, although there's almost always a case to be made for holding back on the newer stuff, especially if adopting such stuff means several laps of the track for those having to integrate and test it with everything else.
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> released. But it's going to be way outdated at release time, if you take
> some specific high-profile examples:
> - Python 2.6 (not 2.7, released Jul 3)
Same for Ubuntu 10.04 and Ubuntu 10.10.
Well, 2.6.32 will be maintained longer than 2.6.33, 2.6.34, or 2.6.35; and makes much more sense for a Debian release.
Same for Ubuntu 10.04 and Ubuntu 10.10; moving to a new GCC version is usually a bit complicated.
> - Thunderbird 3.0 (not 3.1, released Jun 24)
Mozilla stuff is generally a problem, as far as I know.
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>Same for Ubuntu 10.04 and Ubuntu 10.10.
>Same for Ubuntu 10.04 and Ubuntu 10.10; moving to a new GCC version is >usually a bit complicated.
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But it's not the default and not supported, so practically useless.
It's not the default, so it does not matter.
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But it's going to be way outdated at release time, if you take some specific high-profile examples:
- Python 2.6 (not 2.7, released Jul 3)