Classpath Exception not included in the mobile edition

Posted Aug 20, 2010 10:39 UTC (Fri) by nim-nim (subscriber, #34454)
In reply to: Classpath Exception not included in the mobile edition by dgm
Parent article: A very grumpy editor's thoughts on Oracle

Again, your argument is defeated by the fact that what Google finally produced is a lot closer to JavaSE than JavaME (Harmony is a JavaSE not ME clone)

JavaME was written for the kind of phones the iPhone and Android stormed over: clunky, limited hardware where the software was an afterthought because the phone industry worried more about ringtones and MMS than about the user experience

It takes more than a ME moniker to define what's needed on a smartphone.

Classpath Exception not included in the mobile edition

Posted Aug 26, 2010 12:42 UTC (Thu) by willjcroz (guest, #62784) [Link] (1 responses)

AFAICT the use of JavaSE/Harmony libraries is complicated by the field of use restrictions issued by Sun for the OpenJDK JCK compliance test framework (required to 'comply' and get patent license). It's use on anything other than a standard computer on a desk is prohibited from what I have read.

See the open letter to Sun from Apache Harmony team:

http://www.apache.org/jcp/sunopenletter.html

and its related FAQ:

http://www.apache.org/jcp/sunopenletterfaq.html

From what I can find, Apache Harmony project's concerns have not been addressed. Unless you know otherwise, in which case please post details of how Sun addressed this.

Classpath Exception not included in the mobile edition

Posted Aug 27, 2010 11:41 UTC (Fri) by mjw (subscriber, #16740) [Link]

> AFAICT the use of JavaSE/Harmony libraries is complicated by the field of use restrictions issued by Sun for the OpenJDK JCK compliance test framework (required to 'comply' and get patent license). It's use on anything other than a standard computer on a desk is prohibited from what I have read.

There are no such field of use restrictions in the OpenJDK JCK:
http://openjdk.java.net/legal/openjdk-tck-license.pdf
There are lots of other problems with it though, primarily that it is proprietary and you need to sign a NDA to not discuss the results...

> From what I can find, Apache Harmony project's concerns have not been addressed.

The problem with their concerns is that they are unverifiable because they did the "negotiations" in secrecy without involving the bigger libre java community. They probably really got a bad deal, but it is hard to help out if they keep the details hidden: http://gnu.wildebeest.org/blog/mjw/2007/04/21/openjck/