GNOME 3.0 release delayed

Posted Jul 29, 2010 4:05 UTC (Thu) by haydn (guest, #69224)
Parent article: GNOME 3.0 release delayed

GNOME IS BROKEN BY DESIGN

As a long-time Linux user and computer science student, I must comment that Gnome is broken by design.

I've been using Linux since around 2000, and have watched Gnome and KDE closely.

While KDE broke itself with 4.0, Gnome intentionally switches buttons back and forth (OK/CANCEL) while Miguel De Icaza works on Moonlight?

Gnome is a mess by design and it's really obvious over 10 years. I'm sure Microsoft can pay to break Gnome (Icaza/Novell)?

Just try the latest Nautilus 2.28 and watch your files disappear. My bug reports were ignored in 2008 and are still ignored.

Come on Gnome, let's switch the OK/CANCEL buttons back and forth again. Maybe you can promote your Accessibility some more?

GNOME 3.0 release delayed

Posted Jul 29, 2010 8:25 UTC (Thu) by Los__D (guest, #15263) [Link]

Let's see.... Now two posts on LWN.net, both pure trolls.

Do you have anything constructive to say, at all?

GNOME 3.0 release delayed

Posted Jul 30, 2010 19:14 UTC (Fri) by tack (guest, #12542) [Link]

Can you please provide links to your bug reports? I'm interested in trying to reproduce with current GNOME.

GNOME 3.0 release delayed

Posted Jul 31, 2010 16:32 UTC (Sat) by SEMW (guest, #52697) [Link] (3 responses)

The button order on OK/Cancel dialogues is quite clearly an arbitrary convention -- whichever one you are used to will seem right, whichever one you aren't will seem wrong. MacOS and Gnome have standardised on one convention; KDE and Windows have standardised on the other.

So your implication that the Gnome/MacOS convention is somehow objectively the wrong, and less accessible, one is just not true (or, at least, unsubstantiated). For Gnome to switch to the other convention now would be the real accessibility fail, since that would break with the convention that their users are used to.

If that's your primary evidence that it's "broken by design", they would seem to be doing pretty well...

GNOME 3.0 release delayed

Posted Aug 2, 2010 10:45 UTC (Mon) by nye (subscriber, #51576) [Link] (2 responses)

>The button order on OK/Cancel dialogues is quite clearly an arbitrary convention

There is a tiny bit more to it than that - in English-speaking cultures, questions requiring a binary answer are 'yes or no', not 'no or yes', so having the 'no' button first creates some minor cognitive dissonance.

GNOME 3.0 release delayed

Posted Aug 2, 2010 11:50 UTC (Mon) by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946) [Link] (1 responses)

HIG doesn't just toss up yes/no buttons and simply changing the order wouldn't meet the guidelines. It is a little more detailed than that.

http://library.gnome.org/devel/hig-book/

GNOME 3.0 release delayed

Posted Aug 2, 2010 16:09 UTC (Mon) by nye (subscriber, #51576) [Link]

Whatever you say, mister literal.