RawTherapee: the newest open source raw photo editor
RawTherapee: the newest open source raw photo editor
Posted Jan 14, 2010 14:59 UTC (Thu) by drag (guest, #31333)In reply to: RawTherapee: the newest open source raw photo editor by ikm
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I don't think a program should dictate the choice of a window
manager
Well you need one that works correctly. It's like using a browser with
broken CSS support then complaining when somebody tells you to use firefox.
It's not a big deal, but it's not really the Gimp's fault with this
particular problem.
I don't know for certain, but I think the 'utility window hinting' that
gimp uses is _NET_WM_WINDOW_TYPE_UTILITY from:
latest wm spec
This particular feature was in 1.1 of the specification, I think. I am not
really up on the whole window manager specification thing and it's quite
possible that utility window behavior is unspecified and KDE4's behavior is
acceptable, but it does not sound like it. It's probable one of those WM
corner cases that does not come up very often and it could be a easy fix.
I'd file a bug.
I have a 2.7.2-2009090102~jj version installed, this option is not yet
there. It is supposed to be a life saver, yes.
I have not tried the developer version of Gimp yet, but this guy says he is
using single window mode in 2.7.1, but it's not turned on by default. Maybe
it's a build option? how to install gimp with single
window
He just goes through adding a PPA repo to Ubuntu to grab the development
version, but he has a screenshot of where to enable the option.
Personally when I use Gimp I like to have all the dialogs open all the time
and dividing things up into 2 desktops it makes it easy to go alt + arrow
right and alt + arrow left to access all of them. That way I don't have to
hunt through menus or whatever.
But this conclusion is just wrong. Linux desktop works pretty much the
same way Windows desktop does. Yes, there are additional features like
virtual desktops, but many people, me included, find them unnecessary and
complicated, and would rather prefer to have Photoshop-like single window.
You've said yourself that Photoshop under OS X is like GIMP, BUT at the
same time Photoshop under Windows is a single window.
I've always thought of the virtual desktop thing as fundamental to how the
Linux desktop operates. I use it constantly and when I go back to using
windows I find the window behavior there quite painful.
Unfortunately here is no way to see all your applications
at once if they are spread around, unlike OS X. This is one of the reasons
I like the newer Gnome Shell (not that it's perfect... the alt-tab behavior
leaves a lot to be desired, for example) since it makes it very easy to
locate things.
Posted Jan 14, 2010 15:31 UTC (Thu)
by ikm (guest, #493)
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Well, I'm sure you understand that while this is technically true, in reality it doesn't matter whose fault is that.
> I have not tried the developer version of Gimp yet, but this guy says he is using single window mode in 2.7.1, but it's not turned on by default.
Thanks. No, there wasn't such an option in mine's install, but I've just updated from that PPA to 2.7.3-something, and there's that option now indeed! So I turned it on, and I can say gimp looks MUCH better now! Utilities now occupy left and right vertical screen areas, which you can resize with splitters to give more or less space to the canvas in the middle. Also, instead of different windows for different images, there are tabs now. Overall, this looks so much better, you wouldn't believe!
However, right now this works glitchy as hell. Oh well. I'll wait for 2.8. That's all very promising. Thanks for a pointer!
Posted Jan 14, 2010 16:01 UTC (Thu)
by drag (guest, #31333)
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It's just the fix is easy. Use Metacity or something that works correctly.
I tested Metacity, Openbox, Compiz, and Gnome-shell (which uses Mutter) and
RawTherapee: the newest open source raw photo editor
RawTherapee: the newest open source raw photo editor
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all those behaved how I expected it. No Gimp windows getting mixed up with
anybody else's.