|
|
Subscribe / Log in / New account

Ext3 and write caching by drives are the data killers...

Ext3 and write caching by drives are the data killers...

Posted Sep 10, 2009 20:50 UTC (Thu) by Cato (guest, #7643)
In reply to: Ext3 and write caching by drives are the data killers... by BackSeat
Parent article: Ext3 and RAID: silent data killers?

One interesting scenario, mentioned I think elsehwere in the comments to this article: a single 'misplaced write' (i.e. disk doesn't do the seek to new position, writing to old position) means that a data block goes into the ext3 journal.

In the absence of ext3 journal checksumming, and if there is a crash requiring replay of this journal block, horrible things will happen - presumably garbage is written to various places on disk from the 'journal' entry. One symptom may be log entries saying 'write beyond end of partition', which I've seen a few times with ext3 corruption and I think is a clear indicator of corrupt filesystem metadata.

This is one reason why JBD2 added journal checksumming for use with ext4 - I hope this also gets used by ext3. In my view, it would be a lot better to make that change to ext3 than to make data=writeback the default, which will speed up some workloads and most likely corrupt some additional data (though I guess not metadata).


to post comments

Ext3 and write caching by drives are the data killers...

Posted Sep 10, 2009 21:05 UTC (Thu) by Cato (guest, #7643) [Link] (1 responses)

Actually the comment about a single incorrect block in a journal 'spraying garbage' over the disk is here: http://lwn.net/Articles/284313/

Ext3 and write caching by drives are the data killers...

Posted Sep 11, 2009 16:33 UTC (Fri) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

Note that you won't get a whole blockfull of garbage: ext3 will generally
notice that 'hey, this doesn't look like a journal' once the record that
spanned the block boundary is complete. But that's a bit late...

(this is all supposition from postmortems of shagged systems. Thankfully
we no longer use hardware prone to this!)


Copyright © 2025, Eklektix, Inc.
Comments and public postings are copyrighted by their creators.
Linux is a registered trademark of Linus Torvalds