Con Kolivas returns with a new scheduler
Con Kolivas returns with a new scheduler
Posted Sep 1, 2009 21:57 UTC (Tue) by rrdharan (subscriber, #41452)In reply to: Con Kolivas returns with a new scheduler by jordanb
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> (and OSX)... is presumably because Adobe doesn't see
> it to be in their best interest to offer any more than
> token support for non-Wintel platforms.
It's interesting that Linux users like to complain about the poor quality of proprietary software implementations for their platform. What vendor actually makes *good* proprietary software for Linux? All I ever see are complaints about Nvidia, complaints about VMware, complaints about Adobe, etc.
It's possible that all of the developers at all these companies are stupid or incompetent, but I'd put forth the claim that it's simply really hard to do quality *proprietary* software for Linux. Things change way too fast, APIs break all the time, and you pretty much have to rely on the community being able to fix your code, which they can't do, because it's proprietary.
It's at least a more reasonable and less offensive position to come out and just say that proprietary software sucks (for all the usual reasons/ethos/ideology etc.), but it's annoying to see the complaints directed at these vendors with the implicit assumption that they could somehow do better while retaining their current software distribution, development, and revenue models. I don't think they can.
Posted Sep 1, 2009 23:17 UTC (Tue)
by drag (guest, #31333)
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In this specific case I am talking about.. the state of Linux graphics support.. makes life hell for both open source and proprietary drivers equally. It's all graphics, games, media playback, that suffers. Not just proprietary.
Thats why I mentioned the situation with Gnomeshell and it's clutter dependency (which requires opengl) and people complaining about it. It should be a slam-dunk good thing, but it isn't because Linux graphics right now sucks.
To be fair things are improving quite a bit and I am hoping that Gallium design will bring the one biggest feature that Linux requires: constistantly.
They did it for Wifi with mac80211 and Network-Manager. They are getting there with PulseAudio... but right now graphics and GPU support is the major thing lacking.
I've mentioned it here before that GPU support is now a hard requirement for desktop. In the future it's only going to get worse if Linux does not improve.
Already Intel is introducing it's PineView stuff for it's next generation graphics stuff. That integrates the GPU into the CPU die. And guess what? I think it's PowerVR-based. So for some highly mobile Intel platforms you will require proprietary drivers just to use your CPU fully. ATI and Nvidia are going that direction also.
Nvidia currently sucks, but if your a gamer on Linux or you need to do heavy 3D stuff on Linux it's plainly obvious that anybody not using Nvidia proprietary drivers are second class citizens. The developers are all using Nvidia (more or less). Even with fully open source software.
I just feel that although Flash sucks a lot of it's problems are in fact Linux problems and they are getting blamed for things that are beyond their control.
Posted Sep 1, 2009 23:25 UTC (Tue)
by dlang (guest, #313)
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Nvidia has always been proprietary and seems to have no interest in budging
so if Intel is moving from open to proprietary the score is one moving each direction and one standing still. hardly a decisive movement in any direction.
if Intel is in fact not moving to proprietary drives (and given their history with linux and involvement with X.org development, this would seem like an odd thing for them to do), then the result is two of the big three moving to open drivers, and one staying with proprietary drivers.
Posted Sep 2, 2009 4:12 UTC (Wed)
by pabs (subscriber, #43278)
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http://nouveau.freedesktop.org/
Here is where intel stumbled WRT free graphics drivers:
Posted Sep 2, 2009 5:48 UTC (Wed)
by patrick_g (subscriber, #44470)
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Posted Sep 2, 2009 19:58 UTC (Wed)
by drag (guest, #31333)
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But I think that it's PowerVR core, like the Poulsbo/GMA 500 stuff which required proprietary drivers for 3D support.
Posted Sep 1, 2009 23:46 UTC (Tue)
by jwb (guest, #15467)
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Posted Sep 2, 2009 5:06 UTC (Wed)
by zlynx (guest, #2285)
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And Nvidia's Linux drivers are awesome. Rebuild your kernel without the 4K tiny stacks that were forced down everyone's throats, and their drivers will run great.
They always did for me.
The open source nv driver on the other hand, could make a snail look fast.
Posted Sep 2, 2009 9:12 UTC (Wed)
by tialaramex (subscriber, #21167)
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They suck on other platforms too. Microsoft's biggest obstacle for most of its existence has been its ISVs. DOS for example, was supposed to be (somewhat) platform independent, so that Microsoft could escape IBM and bring all the user's software with it. But ISVs wrote lots of software that depended on the raw PC hardware, and it was stuck there until the PC clone. I've used a machine that wasn't a PC clone, lots of programs just don't work, or don't work correctly.
It's actually got worse - as so often the user isn't the customer. More and more, ISVs produce software with sponsorship, advertising injection, or just plain malware included. The customer wants eyeballs, or machine cycles, the users are just stuck with it. So the ISV no longer even cares if users hate the software, it's more important to make it hard to remove than to make it worth keeping.
Con Kolivas returns with a new scheduler
Con Kolivas returns with a new scheduler
Con Kolivas returns with a new scheduler
>>> Intel is introducing it's PineView stuff for it's next generation graphics stuff. That integrates the GPU into the CPU die. And guess what? I think it's PowerVR-basedCon Kolivas returns with a new scheduler
Are you sure about that ?
Con Kolivas returns with a new scheduler
Con Kolivas returns with a new scheduler
Linux. There's plenty of other good proprietary software, like Eagle CAD,
Google Earth, etc. Even Adobe's other product, Reader, works well on Linux.
Con Kolivas returns with a new scheduler
ISVs