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Peters: The Desktop or the Browser: Is the Netbook Escalating the Battle?

Peters: The Desktop or the Browser: Is the Netbook Escalating the Battle?

Posted Aug 12, 2009 15:30 UTC (Wed) by alankila (guest, #47141)
Parent article: Peters: The Desktop or the Browser: Is the Netbook Escalating the Battle?

The thesis seems to hinge on this argument:

"Applications running natively on the desktop can provide a much better user experience than running an application inside a browser on top of the desktop. Mobile devices like phone and netbooks may make this obvious but the same holds true for a full size desktop."

This is probably true, but: applications inside the browser are improving all the time. And there are too many desktop systems to bother with making applications for them all. Heck, even linux distros aren't very compatible with each other. At the minimum you seem to need both GTK+ and Qt versions of the same app, or people complain. Such a waste of time, and you still need to multiply that by windows and os x versions if you are targeting the world as opposed to just Linux users. Even in mobile space, there are a number of platforms, so again app writes are forced to waste effort on porting between them, or settling for a fraction of the total market.

Anything that provides a single target is made of win, and currently the strange virtual machine composed of html, css and javascript with network connection to server is a more sensible idea than writing the code for any actual machine, unless the browser on that machine sucks, if that indeed is the case for mobile devices. I confess that I briefly tried the Android browser earlier this week and thought it felt entirely serviceable.

Outside the browser, there's things like python, java and .Net for making desktop apps in, and none of them seems to provide super good user experience. All start slowly, eat quite a bit of RAM, and you can't run that many of them simultaneously because every one of them insists in private memory footprints for everything, even the stuff they ought to share. Outside of these, you have to go for native stuff, with more porting problems.

Consequently, I find it very hard to believe that the browser would be in any hurry of dying out, even if browsers sucked on mobiles. I claim they don't suck that much, the apps improve and brower apps are probably still written before the other apps arrive, because web site simply serves everyone, including the mobile users.


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Peters: The Desktop or the Browser: Is the Netbook Escalating the Battle?

Posted Aug 13, 2009 19:38 UTC (Thu) by dmag (guest, #17775) [Link] (3 responses)

I agree. The article was very Pro-Desktop without citing any reasons. Here are some reasons Desktop apps suck:

- when you find you need a phone number at a friend's house
- when you upgrade your computer
- when you switch from your computer to your laptop
- when you find you need to try to sync your desktop and laptop
- when your computer crashes
- when someone sends a document that requires an upgrade

What's the difference between sampling applications on your desktop vs sampling applications on the web?

Simple, the web won't make your computer unstable, and web pages can't force themselves into your bookmarks.

Also, the search engines for web apps is half-decent, while the ones for desktop apps isn't so good.

Peters: The Desktop or the Browser: Is the Netbook Escalating the Battle?

Posted Aug 13, 2009 20:36 UTC (Thu) by khc (guest, #45209) [Link] (1 responses)

I think there's a difference between "applications that run in a webpage", versus applications that store data "in the cloud". From what you listed, it sounds like you want the latter, which aren't necessarily "applications on the web" that most people think about.

Peters: The Desktop or the Browser: Is the Netbook Escalating the Battle?

Posted Aug 19, 2009 2:26 UTC (Wed) by dmag (guest, #17775) [Link]

No, just the opposite: I don't like my local apps to talk to the internet at all. If an app is going to live on my hard drive, I want it to work the same tomorrow as today. (OK, maybe someday I'll have a backup-to-the-cloud app, but that's it.)

If an app is going to talk on the internet, it may as well come to me via my browser, so I don't have to do care and feeding, upgrade, and copy it around whenever I move computers.

Side note: Netbooks could not become popular without the web, because they would require too much work to install and sync.

Peters: The Desktop or the Browser: Is the Netbook Escalating the Battle?

Posted Aug 15, 2009 7:41 UTC (Sat) by michi (guest, #60274) [Link]

Hi!

> - when you find you need a phone number at a friend's house

You have it stored in your mobile phone.

- when you upgrade your computer

You put your old hard disks in the new pc or copy everything including the os to the new
hdds. You have to do something even if you use wes apps.

- when you switch from your computer to your laptop
- when you find you need to try to sync your desktop and laptop

You know when you want to do this and copy the data on an usb stick. You use server
based synchronisation like e.g. imap, if you have an internet connection on your laptop
when traveling.

- when your computer crashes

You restart it. What do you do if the web server all your data is crashes?

- when someone sends a document that requires an upgrade

You tell him why this is bad and request the document in a sane format.

> What's the difference between sampling applications on your desktop vs sampling
applications on the web?

When you run desktop apps, you can see the source code and know that this program is
running. Your distribution takes care that programs do not do bad things, like logging user
data, displaying ads. Many websites are totally vulnerable to cross site scripting. You do
not need to upgrade to a unstable new version on your "production" systems, if you do not
want to. Nobody can shut the desktop application down in order to tell you "If you want to
continue using it, pay us $$$".

> Simple, the web won't make your computer unstable, and web pages can't force
themselves into your bookmarks.

Web pages can *easily* make the computer unstable. I have seen websites which do this
unintentionally on every slow computer, which can run normal applications fine and do
not have trouble displaying sane websites.


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