Privacy policies and Mozilla's compromised position

Posted Aug 8, 2009 9:46 UTC (Sat) by tzafrir (subscriber, #11501)
In reply to: Privacy policies and Mozilla's compromised position by coriordan
Parent article: Ubuntu's multisearch surprise

The trademark guidelines don't tie you to Google.

Privacy policies and Mozilla's compromised position

Posted Aug 8, 2009 9:58 UTC (Sat) by coriordan (guest, #7544) [Link] (9 responses)

Mozilla distribute Firefox in configurations that lead to masses of personal info being sent to Google. If you don't use their configuration, you can't use their trademark. So the two are indeed tied.

Where are the "Firefox" webbrowsers that include Tor anonymity plugins? Adblock plugins? Anonymised search plugins?

There are none because such configurations would reduce the amount of personal info being received by Mozilla's financial boss, Google.

Privacy policies and Mozilla's compromised position

Posted Aug 8, 2009 17:47 UTC (Sat) by sbergman27 (guest, #10767) [Link] (1 responses)

I don't always agree with you, to be sure. But I must say that it is good to know that I'm not the only one who sees the Google<->Mozilla Corp relationship for what it really is. The otherwise obvious fact usually gets lost in all the FF cheerleading.

Privacy policies and Mozilla's compromised position

Posted Aug 10, 2009 8:18 UTC (Mon) by regala (guest, #15745) [Link]

> But I must say that it is good to know that I'm not the only one who
> sees the Google<->Mozilla Corp relationship for what it really is

hmmm, God bless you then...

Privacy policies and Mozilla's compromised position

Posted Aug 9, 2009 15:03 UTC (Sun) by AndreE (guest, #60148) [Link] (3 responses)

Forgive me for my ignorance, but I am currently using Adblock Plus, Better Privacy, and Torbutton addons downloaded from the Firefox site.

Are these addons rendered ineffective by some hardcoded usage sharing in Firefox?

Privacy policies and Mozilla's compromised position

Posted Aug 9, 2009 21:26 UTC (Sun) by coriordan (guest, #7544) [Link]

They work fine, and using them is a great idea. And because Firefox is free software, Mozilla can't prevent you from using them.

The question is, why are these great plugins that protect user privacy not included in the default install?

The answer is that Mozilla's funding comes almost exclusively from Google, and Google's business model is based on gather as much personal information about Internet users as possible.

Tech savvy users like you and I are fine, we install plugins or switch to other software, but our parents and children will mostly install Mozilla's Firefox without any plugins, and they won't benefit from any of the privacy protection which is widely available.

Privacy policies and Mozilla's compromised position

Posted Aug 10, 2009 15:12 UTC (Mon) by nick.lowe (guest, #54609) [Link] (1 responses)

As far as I am aware, there is no "hardcoded usage sharing in Firefox".

Firefox just has its default homepage set to http://www.google.com/firefox

Most of Mozilla's revenue derives from traffic sent to Google at that
address.
(The theory being most people won't change it to http://www.google.com/ if
they want Google set as their homepage.)

Privacy policies and Mozilla's compromised position

Posted Aug 12, 2009 2:26 UTC (Wed) by k8to (guest, #15413) [Link]

Keyword search helps them a certain amount more. It's not pure evil, but it is not obvious to this user when reviewing the mozilla install and interface that it phones home by default for every typo I make.

Privacy policies and Mozilla's compromised position

Posted Aug 9, 2009 17:36 UTC (Sun) by tzafrir (subscriber, #11501) [Link]

That is the default package as distributed by Mozilla. But the trademark guidelines of Mozilla don't forbid you from making your own modified Firefox distribution with e.g. a different search engine plugin.

Privacy policies and Mozilla's compromised position

Posted Aug 11, 2009 5:20 UTC (Tue) by roc (subscriber, #30627) [Link] (1 responses)

Using Google as the default search provider in Firefox gives Google no more "personal info" than if you did the search by visiting google.com.

So what on earth are you talking about?

Privacy policies and Mozilla's compromised position

Posted Aug 11, 2009 5:22 UTC (Tue) by roc (subscriber, #30627) [Link]

I should add:

Using Google as the default search provider in Firefox gives Google no more "personal info" than if you did the search by visiting google.com *in any other browser*.

These claims that Mozilla configures Firefox to ship masses of personal information to Google are, as far as I can tell, false.