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The CentOS-5.3 i386 live CD

From:  Karanbir Singh <kbsingh-AT-centos.org>
To:  centos-announce-AT-centos.org
Subject:  [CentOS-announce] CentOS 5 i386 - The CentOS-5.3 i386 Live CD is released
Date:  Wed, 27 May 2009 01:06:32 +0100
Message-ID:  <4A1C8408.8000805@centos.org>
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The CentOS Development team is pleased to announce the availability of 
the CentOS 5.3 i386 Live CD.

This CD is based on our CentOS-5.3 i386 distribution.

It can be used as a Workstation, with the following software:

# openoffice.org 2.3.0
# firefox 3.0.6
# thunderbird 2.0.0.18
# pidgin 2.5.5
# xchat 2.6.6
# gimp 2.2.13

It can also be used as a rescue CD with the following tools:

# memtest86+-1.65
# Full set of LVM and RAID command line tools
# Nmap and NMapFE
# traceroute
# samba-3.0.33 with cifs kernel support to connect to Windows file shares
# System Log Viewer
# GUI Hardware Device Manager

The following packages were removed to reach the 700MB target. You can 
install them back using the 'yum install' command while running under 
the LiveCD environment:

# emacs
# k3b
# scribus

================================================================

The CentOS Live CD project home page is here:
https://projects.centos.org/trac/livecd/

Live CD build scripts, screenshots, booting from a USB key, custom Live 
CD Creation and other information is available there.

================================================================

The CentOS 5.3 i386 Live CD is based on the Fedora livecd-tools project:

http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedoraLiveCD

================================================================

You can get the CentOS 5.3 i386 Live CD from the CentOS mirrors:
http://isoredirect.centos.org/centos/5/isos/i386/

* Filename: CentOS-5.3-i386-LiveCD.iso
* Size:     691MB
* MD5Sum:   54bc01353cc67c4ddfaa7f1bc3b75c0e
* SHA1Sum:  4d01884a67d585b9431336a6db39f7ec66dddc47

================================================================

Release Notes:

LiveCD Release Notes:
http://wiki.centos.org/Manuals/ReleaseNotes/CentOSLiveCD5.3

CentOS-5.3 Release Notes:
http://wiki.centos.org/Manuals/ReleaseNotes/CentOS5.3

upstream Release Notes here:
http://www.centos.org/docs/5/html/release-notes/as-x86/in...

CentOS-5 Documentation is here:
http://www.centos.org/docs/5/

================================================================

The CentOS Project would like to thank Patrice Guay for the creation of 
this CD. Patrice heads the CentOS-5/LiveCD project and has contributed 
much time and efforts into creating and working with the liveCD's on 
CentOS-5.

We would also like to thank the CentOS QA team for testing this LiveCD 
and their many suggestions to make it better.

================================================================

To stay current with CentOS:

Visit our website at http://www.centos.org/

Join the CentOS mailing list at:
http://lists.centos.org/mailman/listinfo/centos

Catch the Wiki at http://wiki.centos.org

Join various team members on IRC at irc.freenode.net #centos-devel

================================================================

And finally, we are looking at a major upgrade for the next release of 
the CentOS 5 LiveCD, and are taking on ideas, suggestions and code 
contributions for this. If you have any ideas, do come and talk to us!

================================================================

Enjoy,

The CentOS Development Team

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The CentOS-5.3 i386 live CD

Posted May 27, 2009 17:51 UTC (Wed) by pr1268 (guest, #24648) [Link] (11 responses)

What?? No Emacs? A Linux distro without Emacs is like a car without wheels. (Sorry, I couldn't think of a better analogy at the moment.)

While they're at it, why not remove cp, ls, and cat in order to save space? ;)

without wheels

Posted May 27, 2009 18:05 UTC (Wed) by tialaramex (subscriber, #21167) [Link] (2 responses)

Maybe not a car, a chair perhaps. Yeah, a Linux distro without Emacs is like a chair without wheels.

without wheels

Posted May 27, 2009 19:26 UTC (Wed) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link] (1 responses)

I wouldn't want to write code or recover systems without wheels on my
chair. Would you?

without wheels

Posted May 27, 2009 20:06 UTC (Wed) by tialaramex (subscriber, #21167) [Link]

Sadly my wheeled chair broke a while back. So in fact I do work from an ordinary non-wheeled chair. I hoped to replace it quite quickly, but in store after store I saw the exact same poor welding which had caused my chair to fail, even on very expensive chairs. The nice leather, adjustable arms, even fancy surfaces like glass or hand-woven fabrics all hide the same welded steel plate, presumably from a single manufacturer that's discovered they can sell it for less than anyone else so long as they use dirt cheap labour with poor equipment in a third world country.

So, when I have a spare weekend I plan to look around and find someone, somewhere who isn't using these parts in their chairs and then maybe I can buy one that will last more than 18 months without me having to treat it like a fragile antique.

The CentOS-5.3 i386 live CD

Posted May 27, 2009 18:29 UTC (Wed) by wzzrd (subscriber, #12309) [Link] (1 responses)

What's the problem with removing emacs? I mean, the CD already contains an operating system as it is. Why add a second one? ;-)

The CentOS-5.3 i386 live CD

Posted May 27, 2009 22:01 UTC (Wed) by fjorba (guest, #6175) [Link]

Because the whole purpose of the first one is to boot and allow the second one to blossom ;-)

The CentOS-5.3 i386 live CD

Posted May 27, 2009 20:03 UTC (Wed) by bracher (subscriber, #4039) [Link] (3 responses)

> (Sorry, I couldn't think of a better analogy at the moment.)

...like apple pie without the apples.

...like the american flag without the stripes.

I've got more, but I think those should just about cover things. ;-)

A Linux distro withouth emacs...

Posted May 27, 2009 20:43 UTC (Wed) by utoddl (guest, #1232) [Link] (2 responses)

A Linux distro without emacs...

...is like a Ferrari without a trailer hitch.

...is like a bicycle without a JATO.

Sorry, I'll stop now.

A Linux distro withouth emacs...

Posted May 28, 2009 13:46 UTC (Thu) by tdz (subscriber, #58733) [Link] (1 responses)

A userland without providing Emacs, is like Emacs without providing a userland.

Regards, Thomas

A Linux distro withouth emacs...

Posted May 28, 2009 20:46 UTC (Thu) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

I have replaced /sbin/init with XEmacs in the past, so you *can* do it.

Kernel Mode Emacs is an idea yet to come (unless the Lisp Machine counted
as an implementation).

The CentOS-5.3 i386 live CD

Posted May 27, 2009 20:05 UTC (Wed) by clugstj (subscriber, #4020) [Link]

Emacs? We don't need no steenking Emacs.

The CentOS-5.3 i386 live CD

Posted May 28, 2009 13:56 UTC (Thu) by smadu2 (guest, #54943) [Link]

emacs is not installed by default in many distros unlike vi no ?

Discliamer: I like both emacs and vi.

The CentOS-5.3 i386 live CD

Posted May 28, 2009 1:52 UTC (Thu) by jengelh (guest, #33263) [Link] (3 responses)

>“bleeding-edge CentOS” (posted by corbet).

Boy that blood has long coagulated already — 2.66 years on the counter at least. With a basesystem/kernel as old as 2.6.18, and the latter so hopelessy cluttered with backports that any 3rd-party kmod source code relying on LINUX_VERSION_CODE is bound to fail during compile, the few userspace upgrades are just a few drops in the pond.

The CentOS-5.3 i386 live CD

Posted May 28, 2009 8:25 UTC (Thu) by dag- (guest, #30207) [Link] (2 responses)

CentOS is far from bleeding edge, true :-)

However both Red Hat as well as the community do spend effort to improve the hardware support so that CentOS is more versatile as a stable platform. One of the newer initiatives is ElRepo with lots of newer drivers backported and a lot more in the pipeline... (video4linux/dvb, nvidia, ...)

http://elrepo.org/

The promise of ElRepo is not just the drivers it provides with little effort, but the community it can foster doing this kind of work and the knowledge and experience this brings.

I can imagine that CentOS is not an attractive solution to Open Source developers who want the latest and greatest, but I'd go as far to say that it is likely the best solution for end-user desktops where you don't want to inflict change where it is not required. The LiveCD is the perfect tool to test hardware support with CentOS.

And with all those backported drivers available the hardware support is less and less an issue. CentOS 6 will probably close that gap even more.
For example, my Thinkpad X200s (recent laptop) works fine with CentOS-5. All the components work fine for normal use lacking only 3D support and fingerprint reader.

http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/Laptops/Lenovo/Thinkpad-X200s

Desktop Linux is ready when a 3 year old distribution is an attractive solution today. And CentOS proofs it won't be that long. And you can quote me on that in 10 years time ;-)

The CentOS-5.3 i386 live CD

Posted May 28, 2009 11:08 UTC (Thu) by jengelh (guest, #33263) [Link] (1 responses)

It is not so much about drivers, because if you got EL installed already — and oftentimes this is some dusty server in the back or a dedicated in the data center — then you usually do not need driver updates. I was more looking at all the non-driver code.

>I can imagine that CentOS is not an attractive solution to Open Source developers who want the latest and greatest, but I'd go as far to say that it is likely the best solution for end-user desktops where you don't want to inflict change where it is not required.

End-users are actually the losers in this game, in some situations. Absence of backport, incapability/infeasibility of the user to do the backport (hey, what if you wanted the CFS scheduler?), forced to use EL because some freeware 3rd-party program only “supports” EL due to, say, being cluttered with moronic hardcoded assumptions of file locations or dependence on existence of certain system binaries that are only valid in RHEL, etc.

IMO, the time spent on backporting stuff over large temporal distances is better spent on taking a new version — does not need to be latest and greatest, but that would be a handy base — and making sure that one works in a few months time when offered over the regular update channels.
Given that the reports are few that I get about my kernel upgrade rpm (moves your opensuse from 2.6.27 to .29, currently), I would say that this approach is absolutely workable.

The CentOS-5.3 i386 live CD

Posted May 28, 2009 13:26 UTC (Thu) by dag- (guest, #30207) [Link]

If the aim is to change your system every year. Sure, go to newer versions I really don't mind.

But most users just need something that works and they can rely on without change. (say, people still use Windows XP today!) I am talking about my mother, your manager or the kids. They are not going to manage their own systems and they don't need the newer stuff until the hardware wears out...

CentOS is fine for 99% of the population, although I can imagine you mostly are around the 1% that want more and faster :-)

And even I don't need the latest Fedora or Ubuntu for my normal use. My home media center (TV/music) is running CentOS because I just want to watch TV and not have to update it and maybe breaking it in the process. Some for servers, but that goes without saying.


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