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On GNOME and its Foundation: an interview with Luis Villa

On GNOME and its Foundation: an interview with Luis Villa

Posted May 11, 2009 21:05 UTC (Mon) by elanthis (guest, #6227)
In reply to: On GNOME and its Foundation: an interview with Luis Villa by sbergman27
Parent article: On GNOME and its Foundation: an interview with Luis Villa

And that's a very unrealistic viewpoint to have. Even if Stormy loved GNOME more than her own mother, she would have to be the dictionary definition of "idiot" to work a job that time consuming when corporations would gladly pay six figures a year for her skills.

You don't get the best people working full time for little money. You just don't. You won't find it happening in any other FLOSS project either; the major contributors are all either employed to work on the project in question or the project is very slow moving. The only time the pure-volunteers projects move along at all is when the number of contributors is very large, the contributors are all new and haven't started to burn out yet (working a 40 hour/week job and then working 30+ hours/week on a volunteer project gets tiring very, very quickly; especially when you hit the Eureka moment and realize there's like 10,000,000 better things to do with your life than sit in front of a stupid computer all day), or when the project is very simple and doesn't need a lot of time to develop.

You could get a dedicated ED for much cheaper than Stormy. That person wouldn't be nearly as good, though, because if they were worth that kind of money, they'd be off making it instead of working for peanuts in dedication to something as irrelevant (in the grand scheme of life) as software.


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On GNOME and its Foundation: an interview with Luis Villa

Posted May 11, 2009 22:37 UTC (Mon) by gman (guest, #40493) [Link] (1 responses)

From my perspective (as an observer previously involved in the GNOME Foundation), Stormy's done an excellent job in improving the visibility of the GNOME Foundation, particularly with the corporate sponsors and building up the marketing team again. She has massive industry experience and is always a pleasure to work with (both during her time on the Advisory board, and now as ED), and I believe she's a great fit for the GNOME Foundation.

You've also got to consider that GNOME is a registered non-profit in the US - having a US employee as ED is very useful, if not essential IMO.

On GNOME and its Foundation: an interview with Luis Villa

Posted May 11, 2009 22:59 UTC (Mon) by louie (guest, #3285) [Link]

You've also got to consider that GNOME is a registered non-profit in the US - having a US employee as ED is very useful, if not essential IMO.

Having a non-US employee would be a bit of a PITA, but doable. More pragmatically, having someone in the same time zone as most of our core developers and sponsors, and someone who is easily able to travel to events in the US (which is still a majority, albeit a slim majority, of the events an ED should be at) is really important.

On GNOME and its Foundation: an interview with Luis Villa

Posted May 12, 2009 2:01 UTC (Tue) by sbergman27 (guest, #10767) [Link] (3 responses)

"""
And that's a very unrealistic viewpoint to have. Even if Stormy loved GNOME more than her
own mother, she would have to be the dictionary definition of "idiot" to work a job that time
consuming when corporations would gladly pay six figures a year for her skills.
"""

If she's doing such a fantastic job, why are they short on money? Yes, I read the spin regarding
that point in the interview. But it doesn't look like she's been effective enough even to pay her
own salary. I can certainly understand someone being effective enough to justify a large salary
for that job description. But where is the evidence that that is the case in this particular
instance? Quite the contrary, the evidence suggests that it is *not* the case here.

Their "Please send us money to pay Stormy" cause just doesn't seem particurly compelling to
me.

On GNOME and its Foundation: an interview with Luis Villa

Posted May 12, 2009 7:42 UTC (Tue) by drag (guest, #31333) [Link]

So how is the Midori browser treating you? (I noticed the poor line breaks.)

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The deal here is that it never hurts to ask for help. Stormy is providing a service to the Gnome community and that service requires a shitload of time and dedication.

So if Gnome community folks like that service and want it to continue then they should probably put some thought into figuring out how to help pay for that service. They won't be paying for most of it... most of it already paid for.

If they don't like it or appreciate it then it it'll go away or at least be much diminished.

It is what it is, end of story.

Nobody is going to flip out or hire ninjas if they don't get their way here... this is all new to Gnome and to free software and they are trying to figure out the best way to get things done.

On GNOME and its Foundation: an interview with Luis Villa

Posted May 12, 2009 11:18 UTC (Tue) by __alex (guest, #38036) [Link] (1 responses)

> Their "Please send us money to pay Stormy" cause just doesn't seem particurly compelling to me.

+1. If the ED can't raise the cash to pay for their own salary PLUS everything else Gnome needs to
do then they need to go or take a pay cut large enough for them to become a net gain to the
organisation. Anything else is just the ED going around asking for donations to their own salary. No
charity works that way and non-profit doesn't mean loss making.

On GNOME and its Foundation: an interview with Luis Villa

Posted May 12, 2009 16:28 UTC (Tue) by foom (subscriber, #14868) [Link]

Maybe I'm missing something, but it looks to me like this *is* the ED attempting to raise cash to pay her own salary (and other stuff). Asking for contributions with a message of "We need at least $x to continue our current level of <whatever>" is a quite common thing to see from a non-profit, and perfectly appropriate.

On GNOME and its Foundation: an interview with Luis Villa

Posted May 13, 2009 9:06 UTC (Wed) by aseigo (guest, #18394) [Link] (1 responses)

"she would have to be the dictionary definition of "idiot" to work a job that time consuming when corporations would gladly pay six figures a year for her skills."

Then call me an idiot. I was making six figure salaries prior to being involved in Free software and had all the fun stuff that goes along with it. However, I decided that there were more important things than just making money, and I thus compromised somewhat on my take home to do something that is satisfying to my soul and which I know I can remain proud of being involved in to my dieing days.

This takes nothing away from what the GNOME Foundation or Stormy is doing, just commenting on your opinion that people don't make such kinds of choices.

To Luis: we had a bead on the user benefits from day -1, which is how we were able to take the unfocused KDE3 and deliver a revamped KDE that is now delivering compelling user benefit. It takes years of focus and effort and doesn't pay off immediately or at the "dot oh" (look at GNOME one dot oh or two dot oh if you balk at that). While you may not have been privy to our thoughts (nearly impossible when you aren't palling about with us day to day; I know I don't know your inner machinations either :), I hope there's a realization that what we are accomplishing today is the result of setting a course years ago.

It's interesting how the major F/OSS projects are no longer extremely nimble. We are very, very quick but we carry great inertia due to our heft and accomplishments to date. Speed we have, agility in maturity we are working on.

Personally, I see what the GNOME Foundation is working through to be a good example of that. Best of luck, and I'm sure you'll pull through just fine. :)

Saint or "useful idiot"? What's in a name?

Posted May 14, 2009 0:23 UTC (Thu) by xoddam (subscriber, #2322) [Link]

Aaron, thankyou. And to everyone else here who has made a similar "sacrifice", trading market value for self-worth.


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