You posted that in ignorance

Posted May 15, 2003 9:04 UTC (Thu) by djst (guest, #11214)
In reply to: You posted that in ignorance by msutherland
Parent article: Christopher Blizzard of mozilla.org Speaks on the Firebird Naming Conflict (MozillaZine)

The only one posting wrongful statements here is you.

A statement which you simply cannot back up with any evidence of truth. Incidentally, I have the full message source at home, which I'll be happy to publish here. I'm posting the truth, nothing less. When I've posted the source, feel free to contact my ISP and verify that the email indeed was received on March 28th.

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Posted May 15, 2003 9:42 UTC (Thu) by msutherland (guest, #11201) [Link] (2 responses)

> I'm lost of words.

You should be.

In response to this question from Thelem at Mozillazine on April 15th, 2003:

Subject: Product Names

"As these are just product names, they will presumably be fully refered to as 'Mozilla Firebird' and 'Mozilla Thunderbird', just as you would 'Microsoft Internet Explorer'?"

http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=3075&message=44&state=reply

Asa replies:

"Yes. We have the Mozilla Firebird browser and the Mozilla Thunderbird email client.

--Asa"

http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=3075&message=54#54

The point is not whether or not someone had an 'idea brewing in their head' of Phoenix being named 'Mozilla Browser'. After all, the original name of Phoenix was Mozilla Browser, or m/b, for short.

The point is that when the new name for Phoenix was announced, Firebird, it had not then been the consensus for 'Mozilla Browser' as the real name... like those clowns at Mozilla.org are saying.

They just came out later and said 'Yeah, that's what we meant all along... Firebird is just the project name for bugzilla'.

That, of course, is pure bullshit... and you'll be hard pressed to find anyone outside of the Mozilla community who would swallow it.

> If anything, you should be ashamed.

Me ashamed? You should be ashamed for thinking I would fall for such a flawed 'save face' effort.

BTW, why do you refer to the browser as Mozilla Firebird and the mail as just Thunderbird?

http://texturizer.net/firebird/

http://texturizer.net/thunderbird/

Is there a little 'political correctness' going on there?

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Posted May 15, 2003 11:36 UTC (Thu) by djst (guest, #11214) [Link] (1 responses)

Nice cross-post. I've already replied to this message elsewhere in this thread.

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Posted May 15, 2003 12:28 UTC (Thu) by msutherland (guest, #11201) [Link]

> I'm not saying that the announcement by Mozilla.org was made the best possible way (in fact I think they should have been more clear about the naming policy from the very beginning), I'm just saying that the plan is and has always been to call the browser Mozilla Browser. Period.

You are missing the mark entirely. I don't care that the name Mozilla Browser was "all still in flux and may change dramatically (may not happen at all)".

The POINT is that if Mozilla Browser was really the product name when the announcement was made on April 14th, 2003... like the lousy liars at Mozilla.org claim... then the headline for such a long-time anticipated announcement would not be:

"After months of discussion and further months of legal investigation, we're finally comfortable moving forward with new names. The new name for the Phoenix browser is 'Firebird'. The documentation and product strings will be updated soon. In addition to securing Firebird, we've also got the OK from those contributing legal resources to use the name 'Thunderbird' for a mail client. Hopefully this will be the end of naming legal issues for a while."

Do you understand that? Or are you so completely biased that you can't see the forest through the trees? Use your head for crying out loud.

I would believe you if the new name announcement on April 14th said something along the lines of this:

"The new name for the Phoenix browser is Mozilla Browser, code named 'Firebird'. The new name for the mail client is Mozilla Mail, code named 'Thunderbird'."

or...

"The new name for the Phoenix browser is Mozilla Browser, with the project name in bugzilla being 'Firebird'. The new name for the mail client is Mozilla Mail, with the project name in Bugzilla being 'Thunderbird'."

The problem is... the announcemnt said no such thing... not even remotely. Do you know why? I'll tell you why... because it was not a reality then like those misfits from Mozilla.org are claiming.

So when Mozilla.org tries to desperately save face and say that is what they meant... sorry boys, but that canoe is going down the river without a paddle.

> Yet you keep accusing me for being a liar.

I didn't say you were a liar. I said you were full of it and that the line you were trying to sell me was bullshit.

As far as liars go... the clowns at Mozilla.org are the liars.