Hostile takeover of Open Source Project TWiki
Hostile takeover of Open Source Project TWiki
Posted Nov 6, 2008 11:30 UTC (Thu) by epa (subscriber, #39769)In reply to: Hostile takeover of Open Source Project TWiki by donbarry
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Did you read the message from Tom Barton he linked to? <http://twiki.org/cgi-bin/view/Codev/RelaunchTWikiOrgProje...>
Being asked to sign up to an Ubuntu-based code of conduct doesn't seem like being forced to kneel before Zod. From the initial coverage of this split I got indignant like everyone else, and got ready to migrate away from TWiki to Nextwiki or whatever the fork will be called; but there are two sides to every story, and it's beginning to look as though the original developer (Peter Thoeny) might be acting reasonably and it's the 'community' who are throwing a tantrum.
Posted Nov 6, 2008 19:43 UTC (Thu)
by donbarry (guest, #10485)
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You are (intentionally?) only mentioning the code of conduct issue. The larger issue is that the name of the platform is controlled by one individual who has rattled sabers about its use to others who share in its development in order to privilege his commercial site above others. If that individual was the primary developer, perhaps that would be fair. He is not. He was merely the first developer.
And consider the behavior of a member of that new privileged commercial organization in replying to a critical email: harvesting addresses from one of my professional wikis and spamming them in toto with a reply. Professional? I'll let others be the judge. Would you care to do
The community has voted with its feet. Compare the development logs between the #twiki and #twiki_fork channels since then (http://colas.nahaboo.net/twikiirc/bin/irclogger_logs). Look at the Wikipedia page, and who tried to first purge all mention of the walkout, and then when that proved impossible, weasel it into an inconspicuous place. Look at the changelogs on twiki.org and the pace of new "development". Perhaps you'd care to solidarize yourself with the the new "Benevolent" Dictator. That is of course your right. You may, however, find it somewhat lonely over there.
And yes, I do boycott Novell. I do so proudly.
Posted Nov 7, 2008 14:05 UTC (Fri)
by epa (subscriber, #39769)
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Posted Nov 7, 2008 17:27 UTC (Fri)
by donbarry (guest, #10485)
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http://nextwiki.org/pub/Community/TWikiReleaseMeeting2008...
Timeline of TWiki: http://nextwiki.org/Home/WhyThisFork
Archive of TWiki related IRC chats in general:
As for the email: I sent my complaint to the three designated contact addresses given on twiki.net -- a small company that hides behind general
You find parity in this? That is a most peculiar appraisal.
Hostile takeover of Open Source Project TWiki
business with such an organization?
Hostile takeover of Open Source Project TWiki
Yes, I did. Did you read the logs from the lockout of the developers one minute before the weekly scheduled development meeting?
Not yet - I did read some IRC logs of Peter Thoeny offering to discuss with them and being kicked off the channel, which made the dissatisfied developers look like weenies to me. If you have a link to the original IRC log I'll gladly have a look.
The larger issue is that the name of the platform is controlled by one individual who has rattled sabers about its use to others who share in its development in order to privilege his commercial site above others. If that individual was the primary developer, perhaps that would be fair. He is not. He was merely the first developer.
He's the one who originally picked the name TWiki for his project, surely? Ultimately if there are to be two different projects they need to have two different names. I suppose the truly fair solution would be for both of them to rename themselves, neither keeping the name TWiki so that neither could be accused of stealing goodwill attached to that name.
And consider the behavior of a member of that new privileged commercial organization in replying to a critical email: harvesting addresses from one of my professional wikis and spamming them in toto with a reply.
Didn't he give a reason for that:
Since you felt so inclined to cc: everyone at TWIKI.NET, I thought I should do the same to your organization.
This is probably a bit silly - even if someone did spam every address at my domain I would reply back to that one person - but I don't think it is something to make a big thing about, especially if you did the same thing yourself.
Hostile takeover of Open Source Project TWiki
http://colas.nahaboo.net/twikiirc/bin/irclogger_logs
(shows how the locus of development has changed)
emails ("sales", "investors", etc) but where all will be read by one of
two or three people. The reply was sent to 24 email addresses buried many links down one of my many <not>wiki sites, including collaborators and colleagues at ten institutions. They are amused. I am not.