Gentoo 2008.1 canceled
In future releases, Gentoo will focus on a more back-to-basics approach that will give you up-to-date install media on a regular basis and make much better use of our human resources. We're looking into automated weekly builds of the minimal CDs and stage tarballs as well as maybe an annual LiveCD release."
Posted Sep 25, 2008 16:56 UTC (Thu)
by frlinux (guest, #27370)
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Posted Sep 25, 2008 18:08 UTC (Thu)
by kerick (subscriber, #53036)
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Posted Sep 25, 2008 19:07 UTC (Thu)
by g2boojum (subscriber, #152)
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Posted Sep 25, 2008 23:10 UTC (Thu)
by kragil (guest, #34373)
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Ok, it _used to be_ a big community distro and high up on the distrowatch ranking and everything (some crazy companies even run on it.)
IMNSHO those times have long gone. Most developers and users left.
Posted Sep 26, 2008 0:09 UTC (Fri)
by dberkholz (guest, #23346)
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Posted Sep 26, 2008 0:21 UTC (Fri)
by Tuxie (guest, #47191)
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I've been running Gentoo since before 1.0 and I still do. I have tried most distros but I always keep coming back to it because of its extreme flexibility and customizability while still semi-automatically being able to keep it up-to-date (and bleeding edge).
Other distros almost always borks out as soon as you start adding custom packages, add a second completely separate X-server on a separate graphics card running MythTV on your TV from a boot script or create a custom initrd for fulldisk encryption. For example.
Downgrading packages are usually a problem on other distros also, which means I can't just try out a bleeding edge version of a package to see if it's stable enough for daily use and downgrade if it isn't. It's probably possible but it's a pain in the ass...
On a work laptop I'd probably run Ubuntu instead, but nothing can replace Gentoo on my nerd hobby bleeding edge multi head one-box-to-handle-everything computer at home. :)
Posted Sep 26, 2008 1:25 UTC (Fri)
by massysett (guest, #52736)
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The Portage tree currently does not even have KDE 4.1, which was released two months ago. And "semi-automatically" is right; even when a package is in the tree, often emerges simply break, leaving you to stumble around in forums (which has primitive, erratic search capability) to realize that ten other people had the same problem six months ago and that the solution is to use a newer ebuild which still has not been marked stable.
Gentoo is a maintenance headache and with the developer exodus it will only get worse.
Posted Sep 26, 2008 6:52 UTC (Fri)
by Tuxie (guest, #47191)
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I'm personally running 4.1.67 (4.2 alpha) right now and it works great! Sure, it's not an official stable release but at least for me it works much better than 4.1.1 did.
Posted Sep 26, 2008 15:49 UTC (Fri)
by kragil (guest, #34373)
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Hey, if you want KDE4 run the alpha!
Posted Oct 1, 2008 17:19 UTC (Wed)
by dirtyepic (guest, #30178)
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there's also a simple way to get kde 4.1.1 - use the official kde-testing overlay.
if you're twisted enough, you can also easily get 4.0.
if you'd rather sit and complain about this stuff not being in portage yet, you're free to do that too, but don't expect much sympathy.
Posted Sep 26, 2008 15:46 UTC (Fri)
by Duncan (guest, #6647)
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As for leading/bleeding, well, I'm a KDE user that switched to Gentoo
What's really going on with Gentoo and KDE, however, is that like any
As anyone following the Gentoo-dev list and current ~arch portage will
As mentioned above and by others, however, one of the great things about
As for "often emerges simply break", well, so did packages on my previous
I know one thing. I've had far less problems keeping my system up to
So while others are welcome to move on if they don't find Gentoo right
Duncan
Posted Oct 1, 2008 17:23 UTC (Wed)
by dirtyepic (guest, #30178)
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Posted Sep 26, 2008 5:03 UTC (Fri)
by ringerc (subscriber, #3071)
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The wiki.
The Gentoo wiki contains gems of information on all sorts of under-documented parts of the infrastructure supporting modern Linux. While things like udev and hal are documented, it's in a very limited "useful if you already know what you're looking for" style. The Gentoo wiki, on the other hand, seems to constantly turn up in searches for information about actual issues or tasks.
The people contributing to the Gentoo wiki are doing great work, and it benefits all Linux users not just Gentoo users.
Posted Sep 26, 2008 9:23 UTC (Fri)
by syntaxis (guest, #18897)
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Posted Sep 26, 2008 21:13 UTC (Fri)
by sladen (guest, #27402)
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Posted Sep 26, 2008 0:57 UTC (Fri)
by nano (guest, #54272)
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So? I've used Sourcemage as my primary distro (server & desktop) for the last couple of years and I couldn't be happier. If Gentoo is anything like Sourcemage, then it certainly does all right.
Posted Sep 26, 2008 20:27 UTC (Fri)
by octavsly (guest, #12785)
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I have been using Linux since 2000 having tried it in 1999 without too much success (no driver for my video card)
I have been a user of
but... I am in love with Gentoo. Already converted some real good engineers to Gentoo (and few Windows users to Ubuntu)
All my home PC's run Gentoo.
BTW. I am a hardware engineer and not a software one.
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Been waiting since the original beta for that change.
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Arch has effectively replaced it. ( The developers are much nicer .. the community is working and you can still compile everything if you really think that is a worthwhile thing to do. )
Gentoo _now_ is just like Sourcemage, Sorcerer or Lunar Linux with a glorious history. Nothing less and nothing more.
Gentoo 2008.1 canceled
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Gentoo is old, broken
Gentoo is old, broken
Gentoo is old, broken
Gentoo is old, broken
Gentoo is old, broken
running it since 1H2004, it's one of the few distributions I can really
feel comfortable with, and at this point, there's a good chance I'll
still be running it in 2014.
back when my previous distribution got behind on KDE, so I know the
feeling. However, I wasn't as generally comfortable with that previous
distribution as I am with Gentoo, and unlike that previous distribution,
there's Gentoo packages of the latest KDE available, just not in the
official tree ATM.
decently out-front distribution (Fedora users will recognize themselves
here, as will Debian unstable users...), sometimes that out-front-ness
means not all the various parts play together so well. In this specific
case, the Gentoo/KDE folks decided to use some new and still under
development package manager features for KDE 4.x. As such, neither those
PM features nor the packages that depend on them are yet stable enough
for stable, or even ~arch (corresponding to Debian testing). Gentoo uses
separate overlays for much of their development work (corresponding to
Debian unstable), and that's where you'll find much of the real
experimental stuff happening. The Gentoo/KDE project just happens to be
doing some rather experimental stuff with their KDE 4 packages ATM, so
that's where the KDE 4 packages live, in the appropriate overlays.
know, however, portage 2.2-rcs have been running experimental
EAPI-2-preX, and I believe Gentoo council just approved the final EAPI-2,
which was in the portage 2.2-rc10 I just got in this morning's upgrades.
Because the KDE 4.1.x ebuilds depended on EAPI-2 features and a final
approved EAPI-2 wasn't available, they were not allowed in the tree. Now
that it is, they'll probably make their way into the tree and into ~arch
relatively quickly.
Gentoo is its flexibility in this regard. There are in fact three
entirely different package managers to choose from, the official portage,
and two others, thus the EAPI standards, and the requirement for council
approval thereof (which in turn requires support by the official PM,
portage), before packages using a new EAPI can be put in the official
tree. With Gentoo's flexibility, however, there's absolutely nothing
stopping those who want to from using the other package managers which
often implement new features sooner, and/or from using any of these
development overlays, and/or from compiling directly from upstream
sources. In fact, the latter, compiling directly from upstream sources,
is far easier on Gentoo, due to its source-based nature, than most other
popular distributions, which are generally binary based.
distribution, and well, so do they on any distribution, at least for the
folks that would be concerned about KDE 4 at all let alone KDE 4.1.x,
that is, the folks who like to try newer packages before all the bugs and
regressions get worked out (and the KDE devs are pointing at 4.2 for many
of them, so their obviously not all worked out yet there). The great
thing about Gentoo for the intended audience, people not afraid to use
the command line and edit config files directly once in awhile, however,
is that fixing things when they /do/ break tends to be far easier,
because (1) the settings tend to be exposed at far more accessible a
level, and (2) the system is designed for people to actually change the
settings, so they tend to be much more documented and alternate configs
are far more likely to be tested, than they often are on many
distributions.
date and functional with Gentoo and its incremental upgrade system, than
I did with distribution X and its "upgrade all at once" every few months,
system.
for them, I rather like it here, and it seems there's enough like me,
both users and developers, so I'm planning to stick around for awhile.
=:^)
Gentoo is old, broken
Gentoo Wiki
The official Gentoo stance wrt Gentoo-Wiki.com isn't quite as glowing, and is best summed up by this post:Gentoo Wiki
"Gentoo-wiki does not now nor will it ever get linked to from official
Gentoo media, documentation, or anything else within the www.gentoo.org
namespace...
It is inherently unreliable and outside of Gentoo's control."
If Gentoo-wiki was Wikipedia
"Wikipedia does not now nor will it ever get linked to from the real internet, or anything else within the
...and yet; on balance, really quite-a-useful repository of heavily linked-to information!
.com, .org or .net namespace... It is inherently unreliable and outside of control."Gentoo 2008.1 canceled
Gentoo is my distro recently
RedHat 6.0/7.0/7.1/7.2/7.3
Fedora 4.0/5.0
SUSE 9.x, 10.x (great stuff)
Slackware 10.x
played with Knopix, etc.
looked at Ubuntu (another great one)