In defense of Debian only
In defense of Debian only
Posted Aug 20, 2008 15:09 UTC (Wed) by tajyrink (subscriber, #2750)In reply to: In defense of Debian only by jengelh
Parent article: In defense of Ubuntu
Regarding your part 1&2 bugs, they are indeed something that not everyone (and definitely not people coming from Windows world) would mostly notice. Anyway you have some false information and some stuff you think that should be otherwise without any technical reason other than "it used to be like this on SUSE/etc.". Some, though few and pretty unimportant, I agree with and would like to get fixed at some point. - textmode install is called "alternate" CD, and is available: http://releases.ubuntu.com/8.04.1/ - swap partition can be modified in manual partitioning, both on the desktop cd installation and alternate - on alternate, it's what is default on Debian - if you cannot get IP automatically from DHCP server, please while a bug - or did you just expect a specific DHCP client and didn't get the one you wanted automatically? - command-not-found is annoying to me too, but very useful for anyone new to Linux/Unix console. you can remove it if you don't like it. - kbd is obsolete (it's not in the supported main applications, even), I think you'd want console-setup (haven't used myself, though) - also annoyed by framebuffer forcing, probably will be fixed anyway when kernel-based mode-setting comes; dunno what are the details behind the problem otherwise - who said runlevels should be like you used to have them? there is no standard, and lots of debate of what should be where. 2 is default in Ubuntu - xterm upstream should probably have better defaults if they are bad, or you should contact Debian maintainer of xterm otherwise - file a bug about less if you think it's a bug - lack of system-wide SCIM settings is known problem I think, being addressed hopefully for 8.10 - dunno about 64-bit userland, I think there used to be somewhat of a definition problem about what's "proper way" to have it, of course you knew best all along since it's now like that in Ubuntu too I guess - bridges are again probably not for everyone, but if you don't like to use terminal for anything openSUSE has indeed a lot more of these click-click admin tools, which is great for those who want those Anyway, if you think the problems you encountered really make Ubuntu "absolute fail" and you'd even recommend WinXP over Ubuntu because of these (but not WinXP over openSUSE/Fedora), _you_ are indeed better served by other distros than Ubuntu, for now. But really those problems are very specific, I dare to say, and some are just matter of opinion.
Posted Oct 23, 2008 12:10 UTC (Thu)
by jengelh (guest, #33263)
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random user writes me about his ~/.bashrc not getting sourced and blames the PAM stack for it. Not that I know what he was up to, since .bashrc is not sourced by any "raw" invocation of bash. But let's see, SUSE has some magic in /etc/profile* to always source both .bashrc and .bash_profile, just to avoid these cases of users having half of their definitions loaded. Now, is that also "very specific"? For all those distros that do not implement "my way" -- well, it does not even need to be my way only, there are probably more people than just me who need bridges -- you think these distros target clueless users only?
In defense of Debian only