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Kubuntu LTS and KDE4

By Rebecca Sobol
December 28, 2007
Ubuntu and its siblings are preparing for the next Long Term Support (LTS) release, v8.04 (April 2008) - the Hardy Heron. Ubuntu's first release was announced in September 2004, with a (then) brand new GNOME 2.8 desktop. Since then Ubuntu releases have been tied pretty closely to GNOME releases.

Now, of course, we have Kubuntu for KDE fans, and Xubuntu for Xfce fans. That's great, but Ubuntu releases aren't timed for new versions of those desktops. And that's why it seems that Kubuntu 8.04 will not be a LTS release after all.

The final release of KDE 4.0 will be out in January and a Kubuntu 7.10 live CD with KDE 4 RC2 is getting plenty of downloads. Interest in KDE 4.0 is high. Jonathan Riddell, Kubuntu project lead, writes: "Since KDE 4 is a major change to the platform, it is not currently at one of these natural rest points so would not be suitable for long term support. Instead, due to the very high interest, development efforts will be directed towards KDE 4 and releasing Kubuntu 8.04 with the option of using either KDE 3.5 or KDE 4."

Basically, it seems that Canonical, Kubuntu's parent company, thinks that KDE 3.5 is stable enough for a LTS release, but upstream support will be dropping off before the full three-year period promised for a LTS release. KDE 4.0 is currently popular, and will be supported upstream, but its not quite stable enough for a LTS release.

Richard A. Johnson presents his viewpoint. "Kubuntu 8.04 will not be LTS, unless after all of this hoopla something changes. Honestly, I do not see why the KDE 3.5 release can't be LTS, but as Jonathan said, that is Canonical's calling." He continues, "If we were to continue to redirect 100% of our efforts to KDE 3.5, come this time next year, we will be so far behind the rest of the distributions pushing KDE 4. We, Kubuntu Development Team, do not have the resources to do both a KDE 3.5 LTS release as well as a KDE 4 release at the same time. We cannot afford to neglect KDE 4 as a distribution. If we were to neglect it now, we could never catch up to distributions such as Fedora, openSUSE, and others who are just swarming with developers."

Kubuntu is sometimes seen a "second class citizen" compared to Ubuntu and if Kubuntu does not release a LTS version that perception will only be strengthened. But the developer pool is small and Canonical must decide what they can realistically support for a 3 year time period, as opposed to the usual 18 month period for most releases.

In another post, Richard A. Johnson writes: "Don't get me wrong, I am torn between LTS and non-LTS for a multitude of reasons. I know people want LTS and just as many, if not more, want KDE 4. I am afraid that if we do the LTS way, we will miss out on KDE 4 and the hype behind it. At the same time I worry about those who were looking forward to an LTS release. At the same time, I also realize we do 6 month releases, and majority of our users follow our releases and typically upgrade on release day, the amount of noise created in the past about dist-upgrade breakage supports this."

Krzysztof Lichota comments:

I think KDE 3.5 is not high-maintainance thing as it has been in Kubuntu for many years and there are no changes after 3.5.8. It is just keeping the state as it is...

I think putting much effort on KDE 4 i shooting yourself in the foot. It is very new code (it isn't released even yet!) and it will contain lots of bugs and cause a lot of problems. It also misses some features from KDE 3. IMO 8.04 should be LTS release with mainly 3.5 support and with option to try out KDE 4.

Others agree that focusing on KDE 3.5 for a LTS release is the way to go. Unsupported live CDs with KDE 4 could be made available. And six months after the Hardy release comes Kubuntu 8.10, which will certainly feature KDE 4.

Scott James Remnant notes: "The community's input was actually sought on several points, and many members of the Kubuntu community provided answers and insight that contributed to the decision. It is difficult for this decision to be made by the community because the community's stake in Kubuntu is one of personal achievement and pride, whereas Canonical's is financial and of commercial commitments. Had Canonical simply asked the community "should Kubuntu 8.04 be an LTS?", the answer would not be based on the same terms: instead more direct questions were asked such as "how long will upstream work on KDE 3.5?""

Version 8.04 is only the second LTS release (the first being 6.06, aka Dapper Drake), so this situation really hasn't come up before. It is bound to come up again though. There may be other times in the future when not all the Ubuntu siblings will have the same support cycle. It doesn't necessarily make them second class, it just makes them more supportable.

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