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Why is Zope a big deal?

Why is Zope a big deal?

Posted May 10, 2007 1:33 UTC (Thu) by wtogami (subscriber, #32325)
Parent article: Episodes from the evolution of Fedora

Hi, Fedora developer here, with my own personal opinion on the Zope matter.

This Zope thing is unnecessarily overblown. Zope is a server-side application. It is perfectly reasonable for users to use Zope either on FC6 (which is supported until beyond the release of F8), or better yet RHEL5 or CentOS5 which may be much better suited for long-term Zope usage.

Fedora's goal is different from RHEL or CentOS.
Fedora's primary goal:
Rapid Progress of FOSS

Holding the release of Fedora 7 due to Zope or creating a non-trivial extra maintenance burden in providing compat-python24 and an arbitrary amount of compat-python24 modules hinders Fedora in the pursuit of progress.

Similarly, criticism of including Nouveau is overblown. Disabled-by-default means we get safety by default. Meanwhile we make it easy for testing and progress of Nouveau to happen. I suppose splitting it out into its own package is a good idea. We should also have better documentation describing *how* to safely test nouveau and back out if it fails.

One legitimate case of bleeding edge danger is the iwl3945 driver currently in the rawhide kernel. It has been getting better lately, but works poorly for most users, while causing nasty system-wide problems (I/O device freakout, ops, panic) for some people. Currently that driver *is* enabled by default in rawhide. We are considering disabling or removing it before F7 if we cannot make it at least safe (if not functional) to users by default.


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overblown

Posted May 10, 2007 3:55 UTC (Thu) by mattdm (subscriber, #18) [Link]

Yeah, there does seem to be some hyperbole here. The article says "one user has already been burned by trying Nouveau" -- but the link goes to someone who tried the LiveCD and found it didn't work with Nouveau on their system, not someone who found it unexpectedly destroyed their monitor or caused them to lose data. In other words, a pretty minor "burn".

Why is Zope a big deal?

Posted May 10, 2007 20:00 UTC (Thu) by jospoortvliet (guest, #33164) [Link] (1 responses)

I applaud fedora (and Red Hat) for their effort to propell the development
of FOSS. There are risks, but I think the good effects surpass the risks.
Imho it was a good choice to include the new driver and python etc...

Why is Zope a big deal?

Posted May 12, 2007 0:36 UTC (Sat) by fyodor (guest, #3481) [Link]

Hear! Hear! I run Fedora on my 3 most important machines, and I'm also glad to see these changes. I don't want Fedora to go overboard with experimental code which might destabilize my system, but the Nouveau (off by default) and Python 2.5 changes seem eminently reasonable.

-Fyodor


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