hyper sensivity

Posted Apr 23, 2007 22:18 UTC (Mon) by dark (guest, #8483)
In reply to: hyper sensivity by ccyoung
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I've always wondered about that phrasing, "if evolution is true". Evolution is a process, how can it be true or false?

I guess it's a shorthand for some more complicated phrase, but I also guess that different people are using it as shorthand for different phrases, leading to lots of confusion when they try to debate it.

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Posted Apr 23, 2007 23:05 UTC (Mon) by man_ls (guest, #15091) [Link] (5 responses)

Actually, I'm not sure that is a good argument. The magical conversion of mice into Cinderella's horses is a process, but it is false. Or better worded: it cannot happen. Likewise, the evolution of one species into another, or the whole "all 'specieses' turning into other 'specieses'" process might not really happen on Earth.

I don't see what other phrases you had in mind? Scientists agree that species turn into other species, they just are not sure about the actual mechanism. Christian fundamentalists say that god made all species like they are today. I think both positions are quite clear.

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Posted Apr 24, 2007 6:50 UTC (Tue) by drag (guest, #31333) [Link] (4 responses)

"Christian fundamentalists"...

Some do.

People also claim that Adam and Eve got thrown out of eden because they ate a apple (or even that there was a mention of a Apple anywere in book of Genises), that the bible says the universe is 7k years old, that you'll burn in hell if your not a christian, that a microchip under your skin will be the sign of the devil, that dinosaurs are a trick of satan, that god will strike a guy on TV down unless you give him all your money, and all other sorts of ingnorent stuff.

None of it has anything to do with 'Christian fundamentalism' or anything in the Bible. All of that crap has about as much to do with Jesus as the Tooth Fairy or somebody saying Doublemint Gum will help you a date up with a couple good looking twins.

The whole thing is kinda silly. For people who beleive all of this is just self delusion and are getting offended over a one-liner at a bottom of a email should just ignore it. The guy's faith is harmless to you or anybody else. (unless your _that_ paranoid that you think that he may come after you with a shotgun or meat cleaver or something because your a unbeleiver) It's like getting pissed off because some kid is excited about meeting Santa Claus.

There are bigger things to worry about.

Personally the stuff I find deeply offensive is crackers on TV taking advantage of trusting senior citizens. Promising them that if they mail them their social security checks then God will cure their arthritis or help their granddaughter fight cancer. I don't know why anybody allows those vultures to operate, much less sell them TV time to steal people's money with lies and broken promises. Anybody who gives them air time are passive participants in a gigantic con. It's disgusting.

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Posted Apr 24, 2007 22:55 UTC (Tue) by jd (guest, #26381) [Link]

You mean doublemint gum won't help me date a whole bunch of good-looking
twins? Drat. And double drat. That's this evening's plan all shot down.

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Posted Apr 25, 2007 6:23 UTC (Wed) by man_ls (guest, #15091) [Link] (2 responses)

None of it has anything to do with 'Christian fundamentalism'

I am sorry, you are wrong. According to the wikipedia, Biblical inerrancy is one of the fundamentals in Christian fundamentalism. This means that the Bible is completely accurate, including the "historical" and "scientific" parts. There are other sources for this stuff.

or anything in the Bible.

It has everything to do with the Bible: "the Holy Spirit did so inspire, guide and move the writers of the Holy Scriptures as to keep them from error".

All of that crap [...]

You are including in that "crap" some beliefs which are central to a few billion people. Just last month the Pope (née Ratzinger) said that "Hell exists and is eternal". Your comment looks like a good way to arouse hyper-sensitivities.

I agree that the one-liner that originated this thread was not very important; it was just unusual (and a bit amusing) to see such a thing in a press release.

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Posted Apr 26, 2007 7:21 UTC (Thu) by drag (guest, #31333) [Link] (1 responses)

""I am sorry, you are wrong. According to the wikipedia, Biblical inerrancy is one of the fundamentals in Christian fundamentalism. This means that the Bible is completely accurate, including the "historical" and "scientific" parts. There are other sources for this stuff.""

I _am_ talking about Bible Inerrancy.

NO WERE in the bible does it say that the world was 7 thousand years old.

NO WERE in the book of genesis is there _any_ mention of _any_ apple _anywere_. (even though mistranlatiosn like to stick it in there) Nor does it say anywere that Adam and Eve were the originaters of the human race.

Neither was the galaxy _created_ in the beginning book of Genesis.

In fact in several places Bible references times that Pre-date the events in the garden of eden.

People are told what is in the Bible and they beleive what they are told as gospil. But what people are told is in the Bible is not realy what is in the bible.

Think about what you read about computers and 'internet chat rooms' and technology in common newspapers and mass media. Notice how innacurate it all is? Notice how people just beleive what they are told because they don't know better?

Multiply that by a thousand and you get Chistianity.

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Posted Apr 26, 2007 22:57 UTC (Thu) by man_ls (guest, #15091) [Link]

Sorry for being so arrogant before. As our favorite editor requested, let's leave the discussion for another time and another venue if you want; interesting as it is, and your point of view is quite new to me, it is way off-topic :D