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Perens blasts Microsoft/Novell 'protection racket' (Linux-Watch)

Linux-Watch reports on Bruce Perens' press conference protesting the Novell/Microsoft deal. "In a small conference room across the street from the location of Novell's BrainShare conference, free-software advocate Bruce Perens attacked Novell's patent deal with Microsoft and said that Novell was enabling Microsoft to run "a protection racket" with the threat of its patents."

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Perens blasts Microsoft/Novell 'protection racket' (Linux-Watch)

Posted Mar 20, 2007 20:56 UTC (Tue) by jengelh (guest, #33263) [Link] (4 responses)

(Warning: Extreme bias follows.) Instead of fussing over patent deals, [software] patents themselves should be ceased. No idea how that's gonna work out in the US, but Think Europe/Asia (as long as it lasts in Europe...).

Perens blasts Microsoft/Novell 'protection racket' (Linux-Watch)

Posted Mar 20, 2007 21:06 UTC (Tue) by allesfresser (guest, #216) [Link] (2 responses)

That's hardly extreme bias... sounds like normal, rational thinking to me. :)

Perens blasts Microsoft/Novell 'protection racket' (Linux-Watch)

Posted Mar 20, 2007 21:32 UTC (Tue) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link] (1 responses)

It shows the extreme bias of not being a patent lawyer or another
immediate beneficiary from the protection racket :)

(not that I can think of any beneficiaries other than patent lawyers and
their relatives --- and not all of them: my cousin's a patent lawyer but I
still revile software patents.)

Perens blasts Microsoft/Novell 'protection racket' (Linux-Watch)

Posted Mar 20, 2007 21:36 UTC (Tue) by jengelh (guest, #33263) [Link]

I'd already be happy if everyone did not issue trivial patents and/or the USPTO did a little more research before allowing stupid things to crawl in. But that's diverging from the topic now.

Not that simple

Posted Mar 21, 2007 12:26 UTC (Wed) by coriordan (guest, #7544) [Link]

The "instead" bit is wrong.

We do need to continue the anti-swpat campaigns in Europe and push the campaigns in Latin America and in Asia, but we *also* have to not let our friends turn against us and ensure our licences don't permit selling us out.

Perens blasts Microsoft/Novell 'protection racket' (Linux-Watch)

Posted Mar 21, 2007 4:41 UTC (Wed) by lmb (subscriber, #39048) [Link] (4 responses)

It's sad to see Bruce resort to that kind of conspiracy paranoia, it obscures any valid point he might have had once.

Perens blasts Microsoft/Novell 'protection racket' (Linux-Watch)

Posted Mar 21, 2007 10:34 UTC (Wed) by MathFox (guest, #6104) [Link] (3 responses)

Would you be so kind to stop unsubstantiated personal attacks? It is public information that Microsoft is trying to tax Linux distributions (http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,2059675,00.asp) and that they are using the Novell deal to spread patent indemnification FUD. Bruce isn't the only one that sees those things happening and is trying to do something about it.

Perens blasts Microsoft/Novell 'protection racket' (Linux-Watch)

Posted Mar 21, 2007 14:50 UTC (Wed) by NigelK (guest, #42083) [Link] (2 responses)

Until I see a lawsuit over this, then it is just paranoia. MS is spreading FUD, but it's not as if they've never used FUD before, is it?

Perens blasts Microsoft/Novell 'protection racket' (Linux-Watch)

Posted Mar 21, 2007 20:12 UTC (Wed) by k8to (guest, #15413) [Link] (1 responses)

While I don't necessarily agree with everything you feel you are decrying, it seems you are suggesting that the only discussable actions are lawsuits. I personally believe that various other actions are reasonable to discuss.

Perens blasts Microsoft/Novell 'protection racket' (Linux-Watch)

Posted Mar 22, 2007 11:38 UTC (Thu) by NigelK (guest, #42083) [Link]

Until I see a lawsuit (or indeed any serious tangiable consequence), then everything I see is just FUD, and FUD is nothing new, therefore nothing to get so worked up about.

Perens blasts Microsoft/Novell 'protection racket' (Linux-Watch)

Posted Mar 21, 2007 11:36 UTC (Wed) by copsewood (subscriber, #199) [Link] (1 responses)

Looking at this from the side of the Atlantic where free software is not immediately threatened by software patents there seems to be some truth to both sides to this argument. One view of the MS/Novell deal is that this meets internal agendas within Microsoft for one manager to be able to tell his boss that they have "brought Linux within a patent licensing regime" and get a promotion on the strength of this claim, forgetting for one moment that far more cash went the other way for Novell to be in a position to refuse it. Given the ambiguities concerning GPL patent provisions in relation to this particular deal, Novell can claim it doesn't infringe and the patent licenses don't cover anything useful, perhaps leaving it to someone else to prove in court 5 years later that it does infringe, after the individuals who made the deal have moved on to other things.

The Microsoft boss who forked out the cash that went Novell's way will be under some pressure at some point (if they have not left for other things by then) to make good on the patent threat against Linux. But the business decision to actually do this based on the likely negative public-relations impact this will have can be left to another time. My take on this is that for Microsoft to openly take Red Hat or smaller Linux fry to court over patent infringements they will have to be in a more desperate competitive situation than they now are. That doesn't mean they won't want to use a bit of arm twisting behind the scenes - but keeping this out of the public eye probably won't derive the patent revenue needed to justify the cost of the Novell deal.

To really know what is going on here we need to go beyond the nonsense that a corporation such as Microsoft or Novell has a single voice, view and interest. What we see in practice is a number of individuals within these companies competing for their own positions, with different areas of knowledge and personal agendas not always entirely consistent with the interests of their employer. Organisations can sometimes be defeated through head on confrontation as we are very likely to see in the IBM v SCO case. Another approach is to undermine a competing organisation by recognising that personal interests within it diverge, and by finding an approach to make these interests diverge further to the point where your opponents are divided amongst themselves. This also explains Microsoft's actions in creating patent covered and patent threatened camps.

To counter this Linux advocates may want to find scenarios in which Microsoft's need to use GPL licensed code (e.g. as with their services for Unix product) becomes unlicensed, or to establish collaborative legal opposition and funding to counter attempts to plunder small Linux companies using patent threats. If there are going to be patent suits it is in our interest that they be in the open for the public relations impact, and well enough funded and represented. As I see this defending free software against patent suits is the kind of activity a number of smart lawyers at the beginnings of their careers will have an interest in doing pro-bono work for in order to gain a reputation.

Perens blasts Microsoft/Novell 'protection racket' (Linux-Watch)

Posted Mar 22, 2007 11:09 UTC (Thu) by drag (guest, #31333) [Link]

Whatever.

Novell needs Microsoft to work with them, at least for perceptions-sake, because compatability with Windows is a very important feature that is required for anybody that wants to use Linux on a large scale.

So Microsoft suckered Novell into the agreement with the specific intention of doing patent FUD and Novell took the hook and bait and tried to run with it.

Novell, in a lot of ways, is a very good company. But, damn, they got some people up there in management that have a complete lack of any critical reasoning skills.

When your dealing with something this big, were you have Ballmer having shit fits and Novell getting paid 250 million dollars and both of you are running around doing shows and talking about this or that with press releases and all sorts of crud like that then ya this is representing the entire corporation and not this or that department.

This goes up to the board of directors type stuff, the people that actually own the corporations.


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