Gentoo code of conduct adopted
| From: | "Robin H. Johnson" <robbat2-AT-gentoo.org> | |
| To: | gentoo-dev-AT-lists.gentoo.org | |
| Subject: | Summary for 15 March 2007 special council meeting on CoC | |
| Date: | Thu, 15 Mar 2007 16:02:15 -0700 |
* wolf31o2 posted a temporary version to his devspace, containing suggestions and clarifications from the Q&A session. * vapier has some further modifications, including: - dropping the all caps to regular case text (accepted) - rewording of wanting everybody to be ready to apologize to rather taking responsibility for your actions (accepted) - wanting to involve the ombudsman in the consequences section (not accepted, as the ombudsman is for inter-developer conflict). * robbat2 brought up a set of five conditions to apply to the CoC, given the other input on the mailing lists and the Q&A session. - Conditions #1 (that the document is fluid) and #5 (that council may not be proctors) were added directly to the CoC. - Conditions #2 (working on a more final version) and #4 (regular review of proctor actions by the council) were included in the vote. - Condition #3 (to find a better name than proctors) was not agreed upon, as it was realized that no single title would ever fit. * The motion was called for accepted the CoC with the above modifications, as well as revisiting it next council meeting, and reviewing the actions of proctors during every council meeting. - Passed 6 votes for yes, and 1 for abstain (vapier). - The document was committed to the council project space temporarily, until a better location is found for it: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/coc.xml * There was an initial discussion about who the initial group of proctors, are and kloeri and kingtaco agreed to work together on finding them. wolf31o2 and kugelfang were too busy with their work in the 2007.0 release to get involved there. - seemant and g2boojum were mentioned as potential initial candidates, combined with the forums moderators and the #gentoo ops focusing on their own areas of specialization. * robbat2 is working on the implementation of mailing-list stuff from the infrastructure side, linking his implementation plan, and asked for any short-term needs to be brought to him directly until the initial application is ready to go in a few hours. the full log can be found at the normal location: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/council/meeting-logs/200703... -- Robin Hugh Johnson Gentoo Linux Developer & Council Member E-Mail : robbat2@gentoo.org GnuPG FP : 11AC BA4F 4778 E3F6 E4ED F38E B27B 944E 3488 4E85
Posted Mar 16, 2007 19:20 UTC (Fri)
by landley (guest, #6789)
[Link] (4 responses)
Here's hoping Gentoo doesn't turning into Debian as it gets older...
Posted Mar 16, 2007 23:34 UTC (Fri)
by csigler (subscriber, #1224)
[Link] (1 responses)
> Here's hoping Gentoo doesn't turning into Debian as it gets older...
From your lips to the Lord's ears! I left Debian just about two years ago to try out Gentoo. I've been very happy ever since. One of the reasons I left was that I couldn't stand the bickering. IMHO it sometimes got in the way of distribution development. Testing had worked well for me since it was created, but I found I had to install things from unstable more and more. I'm a supporter of Free/Libre software, but why the arguing all the time?...
With Gentoo -- once I had my mind wrapped around it -- it's been smooth sailing. I might not recommend it for the new or casual Linux user, but for me it's been easy to maintain.
If Gentoo starts to suffer from "bicker fatigue (R)," I guess I'll go Kubuntu on the desktop and CentOS on the server??? Anyone else got other recommendations?
Posted Mar 17, 2007 19:28 UTC (Sat)
by csawtell (guest, #986)
[Link]
Alternatively there's always FreeBSD
for the server and the PC-BSD
derivative for your desktop.
Personally I am glad that the Gentoo powers that be have taken this step
in an attempt to persuade querulous and petty individuals to change their
ways, because trolling and flaming are so very counter productive.
Posted Mar 17, 2007 2:26 UTC (Sat)
by Duncan (guest, #6647)
[Link]
Correct, it is fallout from the drobbins thing. However, had you been
IMO, both the fact that it /was/ two sided and thus went further than it
The CoC /was/ a bit hastily drafted, but ended up rather better in the few
Anyway, I think a lot of us believe it's long overdue, even if we don't
Duncan
Posted Mar 22, 2007 5:36 UTC (Thu)
by dberkholz (guest, #23346)
[Link]
I'm guessing this is fallout from Daniel Robbins leaving again, due to a Gentoo code of conduct adopted
troll that the existing gentoo process forbid them from doing anything
about?
Gentoo code of conduct adopted
Gentoo code of conduct adopted
Anyone else got other recommendations?
Go to the LWN Distributions
section. Search the page for 'source-based' and find several
entries, any one of which could probably serve you well. Note that Sabayon is a direct Gentoo
decendent, but afaik no longer a true source-code-based distribution.
As a gentoo-dev list regular...Gentoo code of conduct adopted
there, it was rather more nasty than a single troll. Unfortunately, it
was two-sided, with both sides stooping to levels beneath them and Gentoo,
and dragging in (otherwise mostly) onlookers as minor participants at
times. If only one side had been doing it, it would have been far less
nasty and would have died a rather quicker death.
should have, and the fact that one side was the founder and a still
respected former dev while the other side was a still respected former dev
as well, both of which should have known better but didn't act better,
thus the fact of who it was, as well as how far it went, was what drove
the reaction here when no previous instances have done so.
days than I think many might have expected. Additionally, it specifically
states that ongoing modification of it is expected over time, so I
think/hope what weaknesses remain will eventually be worked out as well.
agree with a few of the details and certainly didn't like the events
precipitating it. Hopefully, it'll lead to a bit more respect for others,
agree with them or not, on the list, and quick "temporary timeouts" before
things ever get to the point where people are again driven to leave over
such unnecessary and ungentlemanly (and unladylike, but the trouble has
been guys for the most part) conduct.
Not so much fallout as Daniel getting caught up in the mess right when he was rejoining. It's been an ongoing issue for a couple of years, so I'm really happy (ecstatic even) to finally see something happening to clean up our community.Gentoo code of conduct adopted