Liability is fraud
Liability is fraud
Posted Jan 18, 2007 23:23 UTC (Thu) by ncm (guest, #165)In reply to: Linux guru argues against security liability (ZDNet UK) by cventers
Parent article: Linux guru argues against security liability (ZDNet UK)
This argument has been thoroughly debunked, many times. Experience with negligent liability in other industries, such as medical, demonstrates that the only beneficiaries are insurance companies and lawyers, in that order. Insurance companies don't vary their rates according to any criterion that helps matters; everybody pays through the nose no matter what their quality standards. Lawsuits are filed or not on spurious grounds.
For example, analyses of medical lawsuits show that who gets sued and for how much is almost completely independent of competence, and correlates overwhelmingly with a single quality: poor bedside manner.
Posted Jan 18, 2007 23:50 UTC (Thu)
by JoeBuck (subscriber, #2330)
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Also, especially for non-Americans: "American jury awards some idiot millions" makes your news, while "Appeals court throws out the idiot jury's verdict" usually does not.
Posted Jan 19, 2007 0:15 UTC (Fri)
by drag (guest, #31333)
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In fact it's a cornerstone of a successfull capitalist society. Some people like to take that all the way and say that self regulation is quite superior to government regulation, but I don't take it that far. I figure the best solution depends heavily on the situation and only in a tiny minority of cases is government regulation justified.
There is quite a bit difference though from the standpoint of a company being liable for creating buggy software versus a company being liable for purposely creating buggy software to cut costs.
If, for instance, Microsoft produces a server that has a bug and that bug gets used to compromize a system, but Microsoft did release a bug fix in a resonable amount of time... then that is not Microsoft's fault.
However if Microsoft works specificly to obsifgate the problem and attempt to silence people trying to educate the public on problems... and that causes admins who are otherwise diligent to have vunerable servers that causes a data loss.. Then Microsoft is VERY liable.
Same thing with Open source companies, or any other software company.
In other words:
If a company produces bad code, then that's natural and people are able to regulate that company without any need for government. They can use public data produced by business/orginizations that monitor this sort of thing (example: Open source vunerability database, or Secunia) and educate themsevles. If a business consistantly produces bad code, then that business is going to go out of business. No need for government intervention.
However if that same company attempts to subvert the public's ability to regulate by doing things like lying about vunerabilities and attempting to hide the truth from people... as well as actively making it very difficult for people to fix the problem themselves, or discover the problem themselves, or replacing the bad software they produce with good software other people produce.... Then I absolutely seeing this becoming a issue for civil lawsuits.
Posted Jan 25, 2007 13:07 UTC (Thu)
by ekj (guest, #1524)
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It's true the insurance-companies probably take a big thick profit, but there's still *some* competition in the insurance-business, so it's probably fair to assume that the real risk is in the 50-75% of what the premiums would indicate.
Which is, frankly, ridicolous. There are several kinds of mistakes;
It seems sometimes that large sums are paid in the US for mistakes that atleast appear to be of the first or second type. I ain't just talking of medical malpractice either, the above applies to tort in general.
In most of europe, there's not a cent to be had in situation 1. In situation 2 damages are limited to actual direct damages (not a cent for "emotional suffering" or similar)
Posted Jan 19, 2007 16:48 UTC (Fri)
by stevenj (guest, #421)
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According to the Congressional Budget Office, "malpractice costs account for less than 2 percent" of health-care spending.
According to a recent study in the New England Journal of Medicine, the majority of claims (62%) involve medical errors, while an even larger majority (> 80%) of successful claims involve such clear errors.
On the other hand, the evidence of a deterrent effect on negligence from liability is apparently quite limited, although it seems that this is not an easy thing to prove either way.
While it's true that liability lawyers sometimes profit unjustly, the gutting of government safety regulations caused by appointing former corporate lobbyists as chief regulators leaves no other check on those who would unsafely cut corners. Also, the lawyers take these cases on contingency, so if they lose, they get nothing for (in complex cases) years of work.
Liability is fraud
Well the 'check' that remains is the people themselves. In many situations people quite successfully regulate businesses that have no official government regulation.Liability is fraud
True. But you gotta figure, when insurance against malpractice-claims for doctors in many states costs like literally a years salary, there has to be significant risk.Liability is fraud
Liability is fraud
"everybody pays through the nose no matter"
For example, analyses of medical lawsuits show that who gets sued and for how much is almost completely independent of competence, and correlates overwhelmingly with a single quality: poor bedside manner.