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Education, information access top Mellon Foundation award winners (NewsForge)

NewsForge looks at the Mellon Foundation award winners. "The Andrew W. Mellon Foundation earlier this month announced the first winners in its planned annual Mellon Awards for Technology Collaboration (MATC), granting 10 recipients cash prizes of $50,000 to $100,000. The awards recognize contributions to open source software that benefit higher education and nonprofit organizations."

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$100,000 for Pine?!

Posted Dec 19, 2006 5:29 UTC (Tue) by fyodor (guest, #3481) [Link] (3 responses)

This award program sounds great, and I salute them. So I don't want to sound too critical. But still, I'm surprised they couldn't come up with better winners than this:

$100,000 to the University of Washington for the development and support of IMAP/PINE email tools ... The University plans to use the award to develop a next generation version of the PINE tool.

I used Pine for years (and currently use Mutt), but it certainly wouldn't be on my top-three list of open source projects that need investment. Pine's license is obnoxious and arguably not even open source.

The other winners don't excite me much either.

$100,000 for Pine?!

Posted Dec 19, 2006 9:57 UTC (Tue) by tzafrir (subscriber, #11501) [Link]

The c-client library is still widely used for imap-related software.

<pre>
$ apt-cache rdepends libc-client2002edebian
libc-client2002edebian
Reverse Depends:
uw-mailutils
uw-imapd
postman
php5-imap
php4-imap
mailsync
libmail-cclient-perl
libc-client-dev
ipopd
aolserver4-nsimap
</pre>

2+2 is arguably not 5

Posted Dec 19, 2006 12:26 UTC (Tue) by pjm (guest, #2080) [Link]

“‘When I use a word,’ Humpty Dumpty said, in a rather scornful tone,’ it means just what I choose it to mean, neither more nor less.’”

I suppose people are free to intend non-standard meanings of the term ‘Open Source’, just as they are free to use non-standard meanings of ‘+’ such that 2+2=5 is a true statement; but the term ‘Open Source’ was coined and announced to the world with a very specific definition, namely http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition_plain.php.

Pine's license (http://www.washington.edu/pine/overview/legal.html) fails to meet that definition not just on what might be called a technicality of not allowing redistribution of binaries compiled from modified source: it doesn't even allow incorporating portions of pine source code into other programs. (See also section 10.3 of pine's FAQ on what sort of diffs may be redistributed: http://www.washington.edu/pine/faq/legal.html#10.3)

$100,000 for Pine?!

Posted Dec 19, 2006 14:25 UTC (Tue) by Guhvanoh (subscriber, #4449) [Link]

The next generation of PINE is Alpine. This will be released under the Apache License, Version 2 as a quick look on http://www.washington.edu/alpine/ should confirm.


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