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Bruce Perens and Eben Moglen on NPR

On Friday January 17, 2003 Bruce Perens will be interviewed on National Public Radio's "Talk of the Nation: Science Friday". The subject will be the philosophy and business of Open Source software. The interview will take place between 2:20 P.M. and 3:00 EST, that's 11:20 to 12:00 PST. Find your local NPR radio station here. For general information on the program, see http://www.sciencefriday.com/ .

Eben Moglen, general counsel for the Free Software Foundation, will appear in an interview on PBS' NOW with Bill Moyers, Friday 17 January. The show will discuss the impact of Wednesday's ruling in the Eldred case and its implications for the way copyright legislation will impact us in the future. More information is available at http://www.pbs.org/now/politics/comingup.html.


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Bruce Perens and Eben Moglen on NPR

Posted Jan 17, 2003 17:11 UTC (Fri) by rknop (guest, #66) [Link] (2 responses)

Note that the NPR programs get archived on www.npr.org in RealAudio (and other formats which may not be available on Linux), so if you miss the broadcast you should still be able to listen to the interview.

(I wish NPR would make their streams avabilable on whatever the Ogg Vorbis streaming format is!)

-Rob

Bruce Perens and Eben Moglen on NPR

Posted Jan 17, 2003 21:19 UTC (Fri) by mmccune (guest, #9159) [Link] (1 responses)

The local NPR station quit carrying "Science Friday" a few months ago.
How long until they archive the show?

Bruce Perens and Eben Moglen on NPR

Posted Jan 18, 2003 21:36 UTC (Sat) by JLCdjinn (guest, #1905) [Link]

Looks like they're right on top of things; this looks like the right archive, although I don't see Moglen mentioned anywhere:

http://discover.npr.org/features/feature.jhtml?wfId=923434

Take care,

· John

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Posted Jan 17, 2003 20:26 UTC (Fri) by AnswerGuy (guest, #1256) [Link] (2 responses)

Sorry to make such an insubstantial comment: more information is available at ...

Other than that I have to say, with some regret, that I agree with the Supreme Court's decision here. The court cannot capriciously strike down a law simply because they think it's "wrong." There has to be a specific conflict with some higher authority (such as the Constitution) or some specific ambiguity within the law itself.

The real issue here is systemic. Our legislature is not truly bicameral. Although we nominally have two houses (Representatives and the Senate) they are simply different flavors of the same critters (popularly elected in campaigns of attrition --- which one is least loathsome to their electorate).

The framers of our constitution envisioned two houses, one of popular representatives, the other comprised of people appointed by the states' legislatures. This house, the Senate, was to protect the interests of the states, and balance the power wielded at the federal level.

The problem with the change, (I forget which ammendment instituted) is that the federal government currently exerts unto control over the states, and thus the various lobbyists can efficiently focus just on less than 1000 representatives, senators, and administration officials to enact laws for the whole land. All of this lobbying and logrolling can happen in D.C. If the Senators were primarily answering to their states (rather than to lobbyists who are the principal source of campaign contributions for their next re-elections) than the special interests would have to disperse their influence over a large number of states and a much broader base of interested parties.

Granted, this would not solve the systemic problems with the U.S. political system. At least one other thing that's required is a major overhaul to campaign finance and campaigning in general. Unfortunately, well financed campaigns are usually more successful. Sometimes the underdog wins --- but it's not the way to bet. Worse, the two party system means that most people have no choice. People pick one or to major issues (usually somewhat superficial social issues) and are then forced to choose the party that aligns itself with those, accepting any "less important" (less emotionally charged, mostly economic) stances which ride on the coattails.

The other major part of the problem is the mainstream media --- primarily controlled by advertising, thus controlled by major moneyed interests. Although journalism is dominated by liberals (on social issues) it is really controlled by conservatives (the editors, publishers, and their customers --- the advertisers). The media has incredible influence on elections (largely due to a populace which is woefully untrained in critical thinking and classical rhetoric (logic)). Unsurprisingly, the vast bulk of campaign money goes into advertising and media events, and the media are funded (directly and indirectly) by that money.

With these broader systemic problems, I can't make simple proposals. Banning corporate campaign contributions wouldn't help --- corporations would simply fund the creation of non-profit consortia (as they already do) and funnel their influence through them. Educating the general populace to look beyond superficial issues is not feasible. A multi-party system with more than a couple parties becomes innefective in other regards (a shimmering morass of shifting "coalitions") etc.

Unfortunately we are left with the government that they deserve.

We can expect more abominations like the "Disney Mickey Mouse Control Act" (DMmCA) and probably worse. We can expect that copyright, trademark, and patent law will continue to be extended and modify so that any substantive and valuable idea, representation, picture, word, "business process" will be owned by a major corporation and available only through per use licensing.

Of course there will eventually be a popular backlash. Of course there will eventually be some sort of reform. However, the virtual illegalization of crypto serves as a grim example of how long such reform can take. It effectively mandated insecurity to the entire world of computing for close to 20 years, and it's still not officially beyond the government's own self-stated purview. Similarly the reforms to IP (intellectual property) law in this country will probably be far too little and far too late.

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Posted Jan 21, 2003 3:35 UTC (Tue) by roelofs (guest, #2599) [Link]

Other than that I have to say, with some regret, that I agree with the Supreme Court's decision here. The court cannot capriciously strike down a law simply because they think it's "wrong." There has to be a specific conflict with some higher authority (such as the Constitution) or some specific ambiguity within the law itself.

As has been pointed out by numerous others, there is a specific conflict with the US Constitution: copyright protections exist solely to promote the progress of the arts and sciences, or words to that effect. Regardless of your feelings about the word "limited" and the never-ending extension of copyright terms on new works, it is ridiculous to imagine that extending the terms of existing works does anything to promote said progress. (Barring the invention of time machines, existing works are not going to get any better with another two decades of protection.) The only thing it does is to preserve the cash flow of large corporate interests--who make large corporate donations to politicians.

I would have been disappointed but still would have understood if the Court chose to strike down just that part and nothing else. But the Court completely abdicated its responsibility to provide one leg of our government's system of checks and balances, which leaves large corporations free to continue pulling the strings of their coin-operated Congressmen (and women).

Furthermore, since the bulk of the US voting public has never seen any work enter the public domain, and given the aforementioned corporate influence, I remain considerably more pessimistic than either Lessig or Gilmore that the will of the people will have any effect on the problem. It's hard to get worked up about the disappearance of something you never knew you had, and that works entirely to the favor of Disney, AOL-TW, and the other media conglomerates.

Sigh.

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Posted Jan 27, 2003 21:42 UTC (Mon) by gswoods (subscriber, #37) [Link]

> At least one other thing that's required is a major overhaul to campaign
>finance and campaigning in general. Unfortunately, well financed
> campaigns are usually more successful.

This is a popular sentiment in the US, but unfortunately, campaign finance
laws help to entrench the two-party system. As treasurer of a local
affiliate of a minor party, I can say that the reporting requirements of
most campaign finance laws impact us much more heavily than they do the
major parties. The majors have staff people who can help them do what is
necessary to fulfill the requirements, but for minors, the requirements
are a large burden on volunteers.

Also, major parties have many more members, and so they are much less
limited by rules on how much a given individual can contribute. Minor
parties depend much more heavily on a few generous patrons.

Lastly, there are freedom of speech issues if the government tries to
limit what a given individual can spend his money on.


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