The end of the multiarch era?
The end of the multiarch era?
Posted Jul 13, 2006 4:13 UTC (Thu) by skvidal (guest, #3094)Parent article: The end of the multiarch era?
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Yum, of course, refused to update the system. That much is understandable, but its subsequent decision to delete all 420 downloaded (but uninstalled) packages can only be seen as gratuitous and mean-spirited.
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Or you could just call it a bug rather than attributing it to some kind of malice. Read the docs for this feature. It's called 'keepcache' and was specifically mentioned in the fedora core 5 release notes. It was added in yum 2.6.X in order to keep people's /var/ partitions from filling up. We've got a bug report open about in some situations it clearing the cache even if the packages did not successfully install. However, we've not been able to replicate it which makes fixing it difficult.
If you do not want i386/i686 packages then simply add:
exclude=*.i386 *.i686
to your yum.conf under [main]
and if you want to remove all the i386 or i686 packages from your system run:
yum remove \*.i386 \*.i686
and that will do it.
I realize this was an editorial but your snarky and caustic tone isn't terribly helpful. I can't help but notice a complete absence of bug reports from you on the problems you've experienced and yet you've found time to be hateful on your website. That's unfortunate.
-sv
Posted Jul 13, 2006 4:51 UTC (Thu)
by charris (guest, #13263)
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Geez, lighten up, skvidal. Hateful, hateful? Are you going to stamp your little foot, slam the door, and burst into tears?
I thought it was funny.
Posted Jul 13, 2006 6:27 UTC (Thu)
by pjm (guest, #2080)
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Posted Jul 13, 2006 8:21 UTC (Thu)
by drag (guest, #31333)
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Obviously the guy isn't that pissed about it or he would of stopped using the software all together.
Plus it WAS funny. Made me laugh.
Remember (even if you have to say it to yourself over and over again to remind yourself):
ALL SOFTWARE SUCKS.
Posted Jul 13, 2006 18:21 UTC (Thu)
by pimlott (guest, #1535)
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Posted Jul 13, 2006 5:02 UTC (Thu)
by pimlott (guest, #1535)
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Posted Jul 20, 2006 17:16 UTC (Thu)
by rvfh (guest, #31018)
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AND he made it very clear that he was running a cutting edge
development version, so bugs are not only excusable, they're
expected!
Posted Jul 13, 2006 5:40 UTC (Thu)
by Los__D (guest, #15263)
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I realize this was an editorial but your snarky and caustic tone isn't terribly helpful. But very, very funny.
Posted Jul 13, 2006 6:19 UTC (Thu)
by AnswerGuy (guest, #1256)
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It was the funniest line in the whole article.
My came in to see what I was chuckling about and I read the hole lead in and she's laughing now.
(Personally I think it's pretty bone headed to default to empty a cache when a process is quitting due to an error. The most common usage scenarios would entail attempting to fix the error and re-run the process, DUH!
If I was implementing something like this I'd make the configuration take a list of flags, percentages, and numeric values (all optional). So you could say: Clean-up: on success; 15%: 800M which would mean: "clean up only if the whole process was successfull (the RPMs are all installed now), or the file systems has less then 15% or 800MiB of free space available (in case I had some real need to build ISO images under that fs that I feel are more pressing than the risk to my cache). Other flags might be: obsolete, never, always (obsolete meaning that we clear the cache of any files for which we've already got an updated version). (Some peope might question why I'd have a percentage and a number --- answer is I might want to have a config that I can use across lots of hosts and I may not want to have to do funning template perl -pi -e 's/..../.../;' stuff to fiddle with calculated sizes).
...and yet you've found time to be hateful on your website.
The end of the multiarch era?
I think it reasonable to ask people to file bug reports about things they don't like before complaining so publicly.bug reports and editorials
It's just a article. People are allowed to bitch and moan if they feel like it and there isn't any single thing wrong with it as long as they aren't being slanderous.bug reports and editorials
(yes, even the Free stuff).
Or as the prophet sayest, "Thou shalt know by your heart that all software sucks."
bug reports and editorials
The end of the multiarch era?
I realize this was an editorial but your snarky and caustic tone isn't terribly helpful.
But terribly entertaining. That counts for something, right? Seriously, there's nothing to gain by getting defensive or self-righteous about problem reports, no matter their shortcomings in tone or content. If Jon had this problem, there are probably a hundred users with worse experiences who got too frustrated or overwhelmed to say anything. Swallow your pride and thank him for the feedback.
The end of the multiarch era?
The end of the multiarch era?
Survey Says! ....
JimD
Posted Jul 13, 2006 10:15 UTC (Thu)
by brwk (guest, #6849)
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In our environment we have a locally grown RPM (which works on RHEL, SuSE and FC), that tweeks litterally dozens of config files to change all manner of things from /etc/yum.conf, /etc/nsswitch.conf, /etc/yum.repos.d, /etc/X11/gdm.conf and so on. However, this has been grown over the last fifteen years by a team that has over a hundred man years experience in managing Unix/Linux systems. It seems to me that there needs to be a mid-point between the "one size fits all" of a distribution default and the "ultra-tailored" environment that experienced sysadmins can create. Maybe a number of "system profiles" that can be selected: "low intervention" (ie cleans up as much as possible), "well resourced" (ie caches can be kept around, etc) and "paranoid" (ie keeps everything for rollback, etc).
Regards, Bevis.
Posted Jul 13, 2006 13:08 UTC (Thu)
by corbet (editor, #1)
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1) I'm running development distributions; I expect strange things to happen every now and then. One can only laugh at them, that's what I tried to do.
2) I do get onto the fedora-test list occasionally when things go really wrong. I have also occasionally put things into bugzilla. I have certainly posted about the challenges of keeping multiarch systems current in the past (though not recently).
Believe it or not, this article was not an attack on Fedora - it was a discussion of how it's getting better.
Posted Jul 13, 2006 14:58 UTC (Thu)
by cventers (guest, #31465)
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That's how you know you've written a good article.
PS: I think Multiarch support is important. But good article! :)
Posted Jul 13, 2006 20:32 UTC (Thu)
by dmantione (guest, #4640)
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Posted Jul 18, 2006 4:19 UTC (Tue)
by xoddam (subscriber, #2322)
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While I understand Seth's angst at the negative comments against yum, I think it's one of those difficult situations where the software author has gone a good job and it is the software distribution's defaults that causes a problem in specific cases.The end of the multiarch era?
Whoa, Seth, sorry you took it so personally. Certainly wasn't my intent. A couple of things:
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