SCO's 4Q and Fiscal 2005 Results: Down, down, down they go... (Groklaw)
Posted Dec 24, 2005 2:34 UTC (Sat)
by RPD (guest, #16045)
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Still short 1000 shares SCOX :)
Rich
Posted Dec 24, 2005 2:48 UTC (Sat)
by erwbgy (subscriber, #4104)
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I know that this is off-topic and a bit petty, but please don't
post with ambiguous date formats (ie. Dec 11 is clear, but 12/11 is not).
In this case it is not ambiguous, but in general this particular format
can be misinterpreted. Thanks.
Posted Dec 24, 2005 2:56 UTC (Sat)
by dskoll (subscriber, #1630)
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Posted Dec 25, 2005 1:43 UTC (Sun)
by job (guest, #670)
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Posted Dec 26, 2005 2:33 UTC (Mon)
by foo-bar (guest, #22971)
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Posted Dec 26, 2005 3:18 UTC (Mon)
by arcticwolf (guest, #8341)
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Posted Dec 25, 2005 3:26 UTC (Sun)
by mattdm (subscriber, #18)
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Posted Dec 25, 2005 12:53 UTC (Sun)
by dps (guest, #5725)
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Decemeber 13th, MM/DD/YYYY, etc, even in speech, are all americanisms. While the language is freely abused both sides of the pond dates with the month first are limited to america (and some digital watches, due to their display limitations). I guess "december thirteenth" was invented *after* the more logical LSD first version.
If mattdm does ever find himself in the UK he should also know that pants are undergarments here and running off the change them might be badly misinterpreted. (Given he is apparently american he might not have a passport or a plausable reason for using one. I personally have lived in
If there is a risk of confusion unambigous dates which some letters in them are preferable.
Posted Dec 25, 2005 15:45 UTC (Sun)
by drag (guest, #31333)
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We say "I'll see you on December 29th", but it's not uncommon to do it the other way.
But 12/22 isn't realy ambiguous either.. not unless Europe has 22 months or something like that. :)
(oh, and btw, your health care isn't free. It's just different. You still pay for it, except that payments for you are more of the involuntary nature. (you pay for it weither or not you use it))
Posted Dec 25, 2005 21:02 UTC (Sun)
by dw (subscriber, #12017)
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Here you can still opt for relatively inexpensive medical insurance, that can reduce waiting times and suchlike, but the state system that treats vagabonds normally suffices in 9 cases out of 10 for the wealthy middle class too.
Posted Dec 28, 2005 4:54 UTC (Wed)
by xoddam (subscriber, #2322)
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I find it quite sickening that people can complain about taxation ('They only get my money because they're pointing a gun at my head') when (a) the alternative to public goods is public squalor, and (b) the same people cheer loudest and ask no questions when their money is used for *real* guns which are *literally* pointed at foreigners' heads.
Present company excepted, of course. I hope.
Posted Dec 28, 2005 8:49 UTC (Wed)
by Wol (subscriber, #4433)
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It's 230V, and it's been that way a LOOONNNGG time.
About 20 years ago if not more they changed the rules so that 230V was within tolerance. Then they changed them again so that the standard was 230V and 240 was within tolerance.
I'm not sure what the rules are now, but the European standard is now 230V everywhere, but it's something like +-10% which means anything made to European standard is quite happy on 220V or 240V for any places (outside Europe ...) that still use those voltages.
Cheers,
Posted Dec 26, 2005 2:39 UTC (Mon)
by foo-bar (guest, #22971)
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2. Some countries e.g. Sweden and France do use ISO YYYY-MM-DD.
3. Concerning the US format: yes, it's quite illogical, but not really
Posted Dec 26, 2005 19:56 UTC (Mon)
by frazier (guest, #3060)
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Posted Dec 26, 2005 2:43 UTC (Mon)
by foo-bar (guest, #22971)
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YYYY-DD-MM
Posted Dec 26, 2005 3:49 UTC (Mon)
by rasjidw (guest, #15913)
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So the use of '.' or '/' is no way to determine whether the first number is the day or the month.
The simple solution is, when posting in an international setting, to use the three letter month version.
Both 11 Feb 2006 or Feb 11 2006 cannot be misunderstood.
11/02/2006 and 02/11/2006 can be.
Posted Dec 26, 2005 20:11 UTC (Mon)
by sladen (guest, #27402)
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Having textual dates lets you know which part is the month, but doesn't necessarily tell you what that month is. If you see 2005 December 22 that's going to make sense to a good proportion of people since December/Diciembre/Décembre/Dezember are from the same root, but would you guess joulukuu (Finnish) or a month in a cyrillic script correctly? The disadvantage with textual months is that they require translating, or knowledge of the language in which they were written; whereas a numerical date (in a visually unambiguous format) can be understood immediately. If you are in an international setting (meaning one that includes people who don't speak the same language) then using YYYY-mm-dd makes communicating more efficient. One anecdote, when I was filling out my visa-waiver form to enter the United States... the required dates were in ISO format! I was (quietly) impressed that, even the American goverment will actually revert to sensible standards when they are the ones wanting to communicate with aliens.
Posted Dec 26, 2005 21:41 UTC (Mon)
by foo-bar (guest, #22971)
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Posted Dec 24, 2005 15:47 UTC (Sat)
by alessandro.russo (guest, #6471)
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http://www.sco.com/images/landing_pages_new/productsservi...
Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year to all the linux community.
Ale
Posted Dec 26, 2005 17:58 UTC (Mon)
by wildman27406 (guest, #34731)
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Posted Dec 28, 2005 17:01 UTC (Wed)
by ccchips (subscriber, #3222)
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It was common to use "xtal" to represent the word "crystal" when using International code on ham bands....
You aren't taking the "Christ" out of Chrismas by substituting an X. I suppose you could call it "tmas", that way it looks more like a cross......
Happy Holidays to all, and hope for peace and prosperity in the New Year!
Posted Dec 28, 2005 20:37 UTC (Wed)
by ccchips (subscriber, #3222)
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That abbreviation has to do with the Greek word for Christ. Here is a link on the English version of Wikipedia.
Posted Dec 27, 2005 5:22 UTC (Tue)
by jstAusr (guest, #27224)
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Actually SCOX was down 5.46% today (12/23) to $3.98. It was up yesterday 12/22 but the earnings announcement didn't come until after business hours 12/22, which is also the date of the Groklaw post referenced here.SCO's 4Q and Fiscal 2005 Results: Down, down, down they go... (Groklaw)
SCO's 4Q and Fiscal 2005 Results: Down, down, down they go... (Groklaw)
The US date format of MM/DD/YYYY has always confused me; it's completely illogical. The European format of DD/MM/YYYY seems more sensible, and the ISO standard of YYYY-MM-DD is the best -- you can sort YYYY-MM-DD dates lexicographically and they wind up sorted correctly by date.Date formats
There's no such thing as a European date format. At least the Nordic Date formats
countries, and Germany as far as I know, use ISO notation. I don't really
know about the others, but I guess some do it differently.
AFAIK you are not quite correct about the Nordic countries:Date formats
Sweden uses ISO YYYY-MM-DD, while Norway and Danmark use DD.MM.YYYY -
same as Germany.
Germany uses DD.MM.(YY)YY.Date formats
It's not illogical -- we write it how we'd normally say the date out loud in English -- December thirtieth, two thousand five (or whatever). We can say "the thirtieth of December, 2005", but that's clumsier, and "two thousand five December thirty" is right out. Sure, this system doesn't follow computer logic, but it was invented way before computers.Date formats
Here in the UK, where English was invented, we still say "the thirteenth of decmeber" and write 13th December 2005 (and variations thereof). Our dates are DD/MM/YYYY when they appear as numbers only and this applies to purely electronic ones in things like call detial records too. We also have discs, cheques, colours, 24OV wall sockets, earthed touchable metal surfaces, etc.Date formats
the US and prefer the other side of the pond, including the free health services.)
Yep. It's a americanism.Date formats
From what I've heard of the US system, I'd much rather have the NHS any day of the week. The NHS treats all, jobless or not, regardless of cost, with no associated 'your personal policy' that dictates what level of treatment you receive.Date formats
The degree of excessive bureaucracy involved in collecting insurance premiums and discriminating between the insured and the uninsured does not justify the 'voluntariness' of insurance. Medical care is not an optional extra, it's a necessity of life. *Public* health -- the general state of health of the population -- is a *public* good (do you really want your pauper neigbours left to their own devices when they catch cholera?), and is as justifiable a use of tax funds as are police, roads, military defence or sewers.National health
Actually, we don't have 240V wall sockets.Date formats
Wol
1. Actually it's DD.MM.YYYY, not DD/MM/YYYY that is most commonly used in Europe.Date formats
No doubt it's really the best. I always used, despite I'm neither
French nor Swedish.
more illogical that acre*foot or API gravity units :-)
I live in the US and grew up with the Month/Day/Year and I'm not all happy with it, so I use the YEARMMDD a lot. There's a lot of 20050217 type dates floating around in file systems I use. The nice thing about dates like that in the beginning of file names is the files sort nicely even if you edit one later on for whatever reason.Date formats
Agree that the US date format is funny and illogical, Date format
however it's not ambiguous - the separators are different
in all common date formats:
DD.MM.YYYY
MM/DD/YYYY
In Australia, we mostly use DD/MM/YYYY. I very rarely see the DD.MM.YYYY version.Date format
Textual months, require translating...
So now we know whom to blame for ambiguity - Date format
it's Australians who messed things up :-)
From the SCO web site:SCO's 4Q and Fiscal 2005 Results: Down, down, down they go... (Groklaw)
That's Merry Christmas and Happy New Year To All! SCO's 4Q and Fiscal 2005 Results: Down, down, down they go... (Groklaw)
May all you wishes be granted in the coming new year.
I never did get the problem with Xmas. If my recollection serves me correctly, "X" is another way to represent the Crucifixion, since this is somewhat the shape a body would take at verious points of the agonizing experience. It may also represent the angle at which one would carry a cross. Not sure of all the details though.SCO's 4Q and Fiscal 2005 Results: Down, down, down they go... (Groklaw)
Well...it appears as if I didn't do my homework enough.....should have, but wanted to comment.
SCO's 4Q and Fiscal 2005 Results: Down, down, down they go... (Groklaw)
Yes, I had a wonderful Xmas. Merry New Year to everyone.SCO's 4Q and Fiscal 2005 Results: Down, down, down they go... (Groklaw)
