OK, so now we have Linux running on everything...
OK, so now we have Linux running on everything...
Posted Jun 25, 2005 17:43 UTC (Sat) by NAR (subscriber, #1313)In reply to: OK, so now we have Linux running on everything... by leonbrooks
Parent article: Linux and the Top500
What is there that it's not better at, other than running Win32 software?
Fully supporting PC hardware, especially 3D videocards?
Posted Jun 25, 2005 18:41 UTC (Sat)
by The_Pirate (guest, #21740)
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A few hardware manufacturers (number rapidly decreasing) still refuse to publish the specs on their hardware. Their problem. They will go the way of the Dodo.
The problem with 3D-hardware is IMHO one of this kind. Perhaps if some competition to the two big players showed? Could be kinda fun, if some small manufacturer created a open-source 3D card.
Even these two seems to be slowly catching on. At least they now do some feeble support. I guess it will intensify:
"When you got them by the balls, their hearts and minds will follow..."
Posted Jun 25, 2005 19:00 UTC (Sat)
by tazmanmo55 (guest, #30674)
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Posted Jun 25, 2005 20:30 UTC (Sat)
by NAR (subscriber, #1313)
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This year? OK, my AverMedia card doesn't work under Windows XP, but Linux crashes with the Nvidia kernel module and doesn't handle my MP3 player, so it's 2:1 to Windows :-( Now I go back to playing GTA3 - which is currently the killer application for me that decides which OS should I boot.
Posted Jun 26, 2005 2:33 UTC (Sun)
by JohnBell (guest, #12625)
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Posted Jun 26, 2005 5:56 UTC (Sun)
by einstein (subscriber, #2052)
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It just smells like FUD to me -
On the subject of games, all the games I like are native linux games - q3a, ut2004, doom3 etc. If there was a game I just had to play, and it wasn't available for linux, guess what? I'll buy a console, which is far less trouble and expense than having to buy into the whole microsoft routine just to play a game.
Posted Jun 26, 2005 5:58 UTC (Sun)
by einstein (subscriber, #2052)
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It just smells like FUD to me -
On the subject of games, all the games I like are native linux games - q3a, ut2004, doom3 etc. If there was a game I just had to play, and it wasn't available for linux, guess what? I'll buy a console, which is far less trouble and expense than having to buy into the whole microsoft routine just to play a game.
Posted Jun 26, 2005 11:11 UTC (Sun)
by dgc (subscriber, #6611)
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I used to think so, too, until I upgraded my 2 machines to
2.6 kernels. They'd been running the nvidia drivers for ~3 years
without any problems what-so-ever across 2.4.15-26.
Since I upgraded to 2.6.5 about 9 months ago, I haven't been able to
get the nvidia drivers to even boot X without locking the machine solid.
I started with the same driver release that worked just fine on 2.4
kernels. Since then I've tried every new driver release hoping that
they'd finally fixed the drivers to work properly on a 2.6.x kernel, but
they're still b0rked.
So now I'm using the nv driver because it just works. And I can't
replace the video card in my laptop...
just my 2c worth.
Posted Jun 26, 2005 16:53 UTC (Sun)
by einstein (subscriber, #2052)
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There are few things to check, i.e. whether you're using nvidia agp, or the in-kernel agp, if your BIOS setting for agp speed matches what your kernel is trying to use, whether your hardware is listed in the blacklist in the nvidia-installer-readme, which is BTW a very helpful doc if you're having any issues.
You might try also posting in the nvidia forums, they have some good linux people and are responsive.
Posted Jun 26, 2005 3:41 UTC (Sun)
by tialaramex (subscriber, #21167)
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We have (through occasional vendor documents, reverse engineering, guess work and other sources) most of the know-how to get comparable performance to Windows out of all existing (up to R4xx series) Radeons, and for GeForce cards up to NV1x series (ie up to GeForce 2, and GeForce 4MX but not full 4, 5 or 6 series).
But turning that know-how into drivers, testing the drivers, and getting them rolled into major distros like Fedora Core is a lot of work, and currently with games not being big spenders in Linux land, there's very little money to pay for that work. That's where volunteers come in, especially those who can program and aren't afraid to learn new stuff.
The project you need to help with is dri.sourceforge.net
Posted Jun 27, 2005 12:33 UTC (Mon)
by hymer (guest, #30694)
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Yes, I really do need 3D video PC support on my Alpha...
At the moment, in general, GNU/Linux supports more hardware than M$Win.OK, so now we have Linux running on everything...
Wow! When was the last time YOU installed WinBlows and didn't have to use a third party or manufacturers disc to get all the hardware to work properly? Fully supported hardware means all I have to do is install the OS or add my new hardware and VOILA! ..... my new TV tuner card displays the tv program I want to watch or my new DLink wireless works without putting the OEM disc in the tray to install the missing DLL's, INF, or EXE files that come with my FULLY SUPPORTED HARDWARE OS! There isn't a single OS out there that doesn't need a "helping hand" every so often to get the desired results from a piece of hardware. Get a life. At least I was able to watch my Avermedia TV card, use my DLink wireless, grab photos from my Kodak DX4530, print and scan from my HP multi-function printer, etc, etc, etc.... without adding the missing "hardware supported" drivers. If it weren't for the hardware manufacturers "extras", you'd have an OS that comes with nothing. Hey, that sounds like WinBlows!OK, so now we have Linux running on everything...
When was the last time YOU installed WinBlows and didn't have to use a third party or manufacturers disc to get all the hardware to work properly?
OK, so now we have Linux running on everything...
But you're the exception, not the rule.OK, so now we have Linux running on everything...
I have a real hard time believing the story abou linux "crashing" with nvidia drivers. I've been running nvidia cards in linux for years, on a variety of x86 hardware, and it's always been rock solid. Seriously, I've never had any issue. ATI cards and DRM drivers, yeah they are unstable as hell, but linux on nvidia drivers has a perfect record on all the systems I know about.OK, so now we have Linux running on everything...
I have a real hard time believing the story abou linux "crashing" with nvidia drivers. I've been running nvidia cards in linux for years, on a variety of x86 hardware, and it's always been rock solid. Seriously, I've never had any issue. ATI cards and DRM drivers, yeah they are unstable as hell, but linux on nvidia drivers has a perfect record on all the systems I know about.Re: OK, so now we have Linux running on everything...
Re: OK, so now we have Linux running on everything...
I have a real hard time believing the story abou linux
"crashing" with nvidia drivers. I've been running nvidia cards in linux
for years, on a variety of x86 hardware, and it's always been rock solid.
Interesting. I don't deny that you might be having an issue, but without more info it's hard to know what might be happening with your system. The biggest factor is whether you're running a self-compiled kernel, and if so, what options, etc you chose. I know that when the kernel first switched to 4k stacks some time ago, it broke the nvidia drivers (along with a lot of other stuff) but nvidia stepped up and updated their drivers fairly quickly, so that shouldn't be an issue if you're trying current drivers.Re: OK, so now we have Linux running on everything...
A little help would go a long way with free OpenGL drivers.OK, so now we have Linux running on everything...
"Fully supporting PC hardware, especially 3D videocards"OK, so now we have Linux running on everything...
oh, by the way... How do I physically install it in my system ??
...there is no bloody AGP, PCI or PCI-X in it...