I am moving to Gentoo...

Posted Feb 28, 2005 20:15 UTC (Mon) by b7j0c (guest, #27559)
In reply to: I am moving to Gentoo... by peace
Parent article: Gentoo Linux Is Coming into Its Own (eWeek)

>> You only need CD 1 to install Fedora

this is false by the way, there are packages that are actually split over CDs.

I am moving to Gentoo...

Posted Feb 28, 2005 22:28 UTC (Mon) by peace (guest, #10016) [Link] (1 responses)

No, it's not false. I just did a minimal install yesterday and it only required CD 1.

As for your other points, saying you are 100% certain that talk is not needed ignores the fact that at least one person in Timbuk2 seems to /really/ need it.

The problem is not the number of CD's in a distro, it's how they are organized. If all of the most popular apps are frontloaded onto the first few CD's, and you can do a minimal install from CD#1 I don't see what it matters how many additional CD's are part of the release. You only need to download as many CD's as you need for a basic install, whatever you consider basic to be. With FC3 that could be as few as 1 or as many as 4.

Removing the code from the CD may be like removing it from the Universe for some people who do not have reliable net access, but thats not the point. The point is that the number of CD's in a distro is a non-issue if the CD's are organized in a way that only requires you to have CD#1 to get a system up and running.

Kind Regards

I am moving to Gentoo...

Posted Mar 1, 2005 6:05 UTC (Tue) by b7j0c (guest, #27559) [Link]

>> As for your other points, saying you are 100% certain that talk is not needed ignores the fact that at least one person in Timbuk2 seems to /really/ need it.

But taken to its logical conclusion, I can find a die-hard user for almost all code out there. I am sure I can find someone who will just die if mwm is unavailable. You have to understand you are imposing a cost on everyone for the sake of a few users. Its a delicate balance, but remember some of us are downloading ISOs and it is REALLY PAINFUL to do this on a bloated release.

I am more than happy to orphan a few users to let EVERYONE save literally hours ripping ISOs. Also I don't buy this argument that this guy out in Timbuk2 has absolutely no connectivity - he had enough to post a gripe on Fedora-devel.

>> The problem is not the number of CD's in a distro, it's how they are organized.

Agreed, but FC is generally not aligned so that users can be confident of only ripping disc 1. Once again, there are packages that cross the disc boundary.

If the case you present was reality, that the most-used code was completely enclosed in a single ISO, hurrah, but that isn't the case.