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PiP protocol addition...!?

PiP protocol addition...!?

Posted Oct 23, 2025 1:39 UTC (Thu) by raven667 (subscriber, #5198)
In reply to: PiP protocol addition...!? by kolAflash
Parent article: KDE Plasma 6.5 released

I think there is a lot of mismatch of expectations which causes unnecessary friction between fans of X11 vs Wayland (not necessarily developers of desktop environments who have a better idea of the pros/cons/tradeoffs). Wayland is a much simpler protocol which mostly concerns itself with getting pixels on screen and input to apps, all of the heavy lifting is done by compositors (desktop environments) which is how the DEs wanted it. So a window can't _make_ itself be on top, at best it can ask the window manager and the window manager (compositor) is fully in charge.

> I don't say X11 is better. But Wayland is becoming more and more it's own kind of protocol hell.

That's totally fair, for there to be more standardization the locus of effort moved from X11 as a centralizing force to the compositors/desktops and they all develop their own in-house ways of doing things, like screenshots, without sitting down and hammering out API standards. They are doing more of that now, but its slow going, it would have been nice for that work to have been front-loaded given that each DE knew they what they were implementing, but coordination is *hard*, which is why so many developers avoid it.


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