I think this was the right thing

Posted Oct 2, 2025 11:00 UTC (Thu) by ferringb (subscriber, #20752)
In reply to: I think this was the right thing by buck
Parent article: Bcachefs removed from the mainline kernel

> Still seems to me some folks were overreacting to Mr. Overstreet's one comment that had been posted (as of the time i wrote anyway), which, prima facie, did not seem like a dig at anybody or their work. Is there some rationale for not addressing his comment on the merits? Maybe i'm just being obtuse, sorry

An example of the context you're missing is https://lwn.net/Articles/1035736/ . That includes examples of what you think folks should do, and kernel folk commentary it's long since been doing. LKML ain't exactly the nicest place, for them to level a CoC, let alone someone's entire project being ejected from the kernel, this isn't something that is because of a one off.

When you're going through that thread, I suggest you pay attention to the harassment of the debian dev (*again*). That's deeply unacceptable, and I suspect overstreet- in a year from now after this latest incident- will hope that there isn't someone doing exactly what he's been doing to others.

I think this was the right thing

Posted Oct 2, 2025 12:54 UTC (Thu) by koverstreet (✭ supporter ✭, #4296) [Link] (1 responses)

Oh boy.

> An example of the context you're missing is https://lwn.net/Articles/1035736/ . That includes examples of what you think folks should do, and kernel folk commentary it's long since been doing. LKML ain't exactly the nicest place, for them to level a CoC, let alone someone's entire project being ejected from the kernel, this isn't something that is because of a one off.

Others have noted that incident was on the whole rather tame, even for what passes on LKML today (I'm reading the news on Phoronix right now, and - oh boy, the level of toxicity really hasn't changed) - and that screwup had pretty far reaching consequences.

And re: Debian, I was talking about issues bcachefs has had with release process, and you're somehow painting that as harassment?

That's pretty unbelievable.

Look, I think the actual harassment going on here is pretty clear, and it crowds out all the actual technical discussions we could be having.

I think this was the right thing

Posted Oct 2, 2025 23:36 UTC (Thu) by ferringb (subscriber, #20752) [Link]

I just want to point out the blatantly obvious here; you're arguing against my advice that people just read your damn posts and interactions. OP asked why people respond this way, why they don't engage in your arguments; that thread demonstrates why there is the communal pattern.

If you don't think people should read your flamewars to understand the interaction, don't flamewar.

> And re: Debian, I was talking about issues bcachefs has had with release process, and you're somehow painting that as harassment?
> That's pretty unbelievable.

https://lwn.net/Articles/1035890/ (people should read it in full). Also your general justification for taking unrelated, deeply pointless and technically unproductive, potshots/attacks: https://lwn.net/Articles/1035878/

> I think the actual harassment going on here is pretty clear,

Few things that harassment isn't:
* People disagreeing with your posts and behavior within a community, and engaging you disagreeing.
* Linking your own posts were you are attacking others
* Suggesting people read your thread interactions and make up their own damn mind (in particular, reading in full rather than just the 2 examples I gave as a synopsis).

This is a good stopping point; as I said, folks should just read https://lwn.net/Articles/1035736/ .