Some turbulence at CalyxOS
we want to assure you that we have no reason to believe the security of CalyxOS and its signing keys have been compromised", chances are that good things are not happening.
In this case, it would appear that Nicholas Merrill, one of the founders of
the project, has left for unclear reasons, and CalyxOS is responding by
pausing all releases — and security updates — while its release process,
signing keys, and security protocols are reworked.  The result will be no
updates for "four to six months
".  The project is recommending that
its users "should uninstall the OS
" and wait for an all-clear
signal.  CalyxOS may have its work cut out for it when the time comes to
try to convince those users to come back.
      Posted Aug 8, 2025 18:13 UTC (Fri)
                               by tux3 (subscriber, #101245)
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A less conscientious project might have tried to minimize, might not have communicated appropriately about why updates have stopped coming, or worse still, might have kept going without taking any action. 
It looks like they're entering a long tunnel of trying to improve their infra and processes. The sort of project that is willing to bite the bullet and ask their users to uninstall (!) so they can spend a few months overhauling their security, is the sort of project that we shouldn't punish for communicating candidly!  
Sucks for users who have to go months without a release, but I have to respect the commitment to their ideals, even at the risk of losing users. 
     
    
      Posted Aug 9, 2025 17:48 UTC (Sat)
                               by jadedctrl (subscriber, #178426)
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      Posted Aug 9, 2025 8:57 UTC (Sat)
                               by cyphar (subscriber, #110703)
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      Posted Aug 9, 2025 14:19 UTC (Sat)
                               by KJ7RRV (subscriber, #153595)
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      Posted Aug 9, 2025 18:14 UTC (Sat)
                               by rra (subscriber, #99804)
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We all knows this, and we do a lot of this, but hard drives only fail occasionally and if you're anything like me you find double-checking your backup process to be one of the most tedious and mind-numbing chores you can possibly imagine. So when the day comes and the hard drive really does die, often you discover, quite unhappily, that your backups were not in as good of shape as you thought. 
Signing keys are like that except way worse. The rules about how to handle them are not as well-developed and automated as backups are, fewer people have that problem so there aren't as mature of tools, and you rarely have a problem so you have to go out of your way to simulate failure in a way that really tests your procedures (and it's very easy to think that you have done this when you haven't). On top of that, thinking about departures in small, close-knit groups can be a bit like thinking about a relative dying. It shouldn't be, and everyone knows that, and yet. It requires thinking about uncomfortable topics like "what if we all end up hating each other, how is this going to work" and working them out in detail and making and testing procedures and this is all emotionally fraught and taxing and it's very easy to put it off. 
     
      Posted Aug 10, 2025 1:48 UTC (Sun)
                               by skissane (subscriber, #38675)
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Which suggests to me that there is more to this story than they are saying publicly. 
Of course, ideally it would be stored in a HSM with secret sharing, so even if they retained their share, absent access to the HSM it would be useless, and then you could invalidate their existing share so it wouldn’t work even if they somehow gained HSM access 
But, so long as trust remains intact, you possibly can tolerate the security risks the less than ideal situation entails-once trust is destroyed, you can’t. 
     
      Posted Aug 12, 2025 12:19 UTC (Tue)
                               by iabervon (subscriber, #722)
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      Posted Aug 12, 2025 9:40 UTC (Tue)
                               by ber (subscriber, #2142)
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A big problem is that Seedvault only does backups from some data and some apps (those that behave well and allow it), so this is going to be a bumpy ride. E.g see  
     
    No good deed?
      
No good deed?
      
Security Keys 2: Electric Boogaloo
      
Shouldn't there be a better way to handle departures?
      
Shouldn't there be a better way to handle departures?
      
Shouldn't there be a better way to handle departures?
      
Shouldn't there be a better way to handle departures?
      
All users will have to re-install to get updates
      
https://calyxos.org/docs/guide/apps/seedvault/#what-is-no...
 
           