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How the project really feels about this article

How the project really feels about this article

Posted Jul 25, 2025 19:27 UTC (Fri) by excors (subscriber, #95769)
In reply to: How the project really feels about this article by corbet
Parent article: Graphene OS: a security-enhanced Android build

Unfortunately we can no longer see how they really feel, because they deleted the parts of their original response that accused this article of being influenced by LWN's long-standing bias against PaX/grsecurity.

(I wouldn't bring that up if they indicated they had changed their mind about the accusation, but I get the impression they just realised they shouldn't have said it out loud because it makes them sound much less reasonable to other readers. The original response certainly backs up the article's comment on the project having a "belligerent fediverse presence".)


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How the project really feels about this article

Posted Jul 25, 2025 20:02 UTC (Fri) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link] (1 responses)

Interesting, they also deleted my responses, before I gave up on it. What's there now is pretty far removed from what that conversation initially looked like. It's tempting to resurrect the whole thing out of my client history ... but I suspect I'll manage to resist.

How the project really feels about this article

Posted Jul 27, 2025 0:56 UTC (Sun) by marekm (subscriber, #174682) [Link]

Please consider resurrecting it. Perhaps limited to subscribers only if you feel something in there shouldn't be public (hard to tell without seeing it first). Just so people can read both sides of the debate and decide for themselves. I'm just a fairly new user of a used Pixel 6 Pro, didn't expect there to be such a hot debate, not taking sides as both might have some valid points but it's not nice to delete things (unless it was something that obviously shouldn't have been posted at all). One of the useful features of GrapheneOS is call recording without third party apps, and letting the user decide for themselves if it's legal or not (assume the user knows that they're doing, instead of the usual "it's illegal somewhere so let's ban it everywhere" as usually done by the big phone makers). But then there seems to be some resistance against adding an option to make it automatic (no need to activate manually on each call, unnecessary recordings can always be deleted later), first it was "no priority" (understandable, not complaining about that) but later someone actually did the work and made a pull request https://github.com/GrapheneOS/platform_packages_apps_Dial... and it's not clear if it will be merged, even though the change looks fairly clean and simple, and no obvious issues with it have been raised so far. (I happen to live where call recording by any party of the call is allowed without telling anyone, and it would have been handy more than once - most calls are nice and sometimes I just want to listen again for some details, but there was also one rather unpleasant call where it seemed like a threat, if I had it recorded I could have sent it to the police.)


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