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Posted Jun 16, 2025 7:44 UTC (Mon) by Wol (subscriber, #4433)In reply to: Xlibre by linuxrocks123
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> Defending Germany in WW2 is certainly troubling, but he also puts this text on his fork:
Coming from a German Jewish family, can we please stop conflating the Germans with the Nazis. Politics is horribly complicated, and lumping unrelated groups together in the same bucket does not help. Hitler wasn't even German!
> Crime is something you do, not something you believe, or something you say. If someone starts _doing_ things that hurt people, rather than _saying_ things that hurt people's _feelings_, _then_ they can be thrown in jail. We can't throw them in jail just because they believe or advocate for horrible things. That's a violation of human rights.
We do throw people in jail for just saying things. It's called "incitement to violence", where you get other people to do your dirty work for you.
At the end of the day, you always have to draw a line, and it's *never* a clean line. Call it the Heisenberg principle, call it the second law of thermodynamics, call it the "pick two, any two" rule. If you want tolerance you *have* to shut down calls for intolerance. Where I draw the line will almost certainly differ from you.
I don't want to know your political/religious/sexual beliefs. If I don't know, I can't discriminate based on them. If you wear them on your sleeve, I will do my best to ignore them. If you shove them in my face I certainly will discriminate. Other people will take a different attitude ...
Cheers,
Wol
Posted Jun 16, 2025 8:47 UTC (Mon)
by farnz (subscriber, #17727)
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I use "Third Reich" when referring to the period when Germany was governed by the Nazis; it's still clear what's meant, but doesn't trigger this sort of response.
This is what unconscious bias is all about, and there's training that's all about ensuring that you consciously adjust for your own biases. It's unlawful to discriminate on certain characteristics, even if you do so unconsciously, after all.
Posted Jun 16, 2025 9:43 UTC (Mon)
by Wol (subscriber, #4433)
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(To some extent) I can't help but know things like your race. So that's the "if you wear it on your sleeve I will do my best to ignore it". My neighbours are dark skinned and wear turbans. I can't help but be aware of their race/religion, but they're nice people and we get on well. "You're you and I'm me".
If either of us started pushing our views, the friendly relationship would probably break down, but imho that is (a) disrespectful, and (b) as a fundamentalist-inclined Christian, it's also unChristian! "By their works shall ye know them", not by shouting your views from the housetop!
Cheers,
Posted Jun 17, 2025 2:05 UTC (Tue)
by linuxrocks123 (subscriber, #34648)
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Posted Jun 17, 2025 2:32 UTC (Tue)
by jake (editor, #205)
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Useful shorthand for the Nazis in power
Coming from a German Jewish family, can we please stop conflating the Germans with the Nazis. Politics is horribly complicated, and lumping unrelated groups together in the same bucket does not help. Hitler wasn't even German!
I don't want to know your political/religious/sexual beliefs. If I don't know, I can't discriminate based on them. If you wear them on your sleeve, I will do my best to ignore them. If you shove them in my face I certainly will discriminate. Other people will take a different attitude ...
Useful shorthand for the Nazis in power
Wol
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