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Posted May 22, 2025 22:04 UTC (Thu) by gerdesj (subscriber, #5446)
Parent article: Home Assistant deprecates the "core" and "supervised" installation modes

I look after rather a lot of Supervised HAs. This will cause me a lot of work migrating

Do I start the Openhome Assistant project? Hmmm.

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Posted May 23, 2025 5:17 UTC (Fri) by pbonzini (subscriber, #60935) [Link] (5 responses)

As I understand it, Supervised will still be there but only as part of HAOS?

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Posted May 23, 2025 6:12 UTC (Fri) by WolfWings (subscriber, #56790) [Link] (4 responses)

Which still means 'Supervised' installs will need to be re-done entirely, since they're not on HAOS currently or they'd be HAOS installs not 'Supervised' installs.

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Posted May 23, 2025 6:14 UTC (Fri) by smurf (subscriber, #17840) [Link] (2 responses)

Apparently that's easy enough, just back up your current config and restore it onto HAOS.

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Posted May 26, 2025 1:58 UTC (Mon) by gerdesj (subscriber, #5446) [Link] (1 responses)

"Apparently that's easy enough, just back up your current config and restore it onto HAOS."

That's spot on but misses the point of why I generally prefer Supervised in the first place!

An "elderly" laptop has a battery (built in UPS), a few USB interfaces and is generally capable of being optimised for a bit of power sippin'. You don't have to fire up the GPU unless you want to. With a SSD, you've got a pretty decent platform that can be powerful if needed but also quite modest, powerwise too.

OK that is still valid for HAOS. However HAOS is a cut down distro with no frills so you can't run anything else that is not already covered with a blessed HA container: "addon".

I run quite a few out of band things such as SMS daemons which are so uncool but so useful to my customers and me too.

It's all very well trying to reduce the support load but I don't need any guarantees. I'd just like some understanding. The last deprecation effort shoved a middle finger to Debian derivatives (Ubuntu) OK, I got it and rolled with it. Fairly major re-installations efforts done.

Now you are telling me I have to do all that again. Well, thank you very much. Is this the last one? It won't even be classed as a breaking change for the project but it will fuck over quite a few implementations.

I will roll with it all again because I have to but it isn't a good look and I don't see why it is necessary this time.

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Posted May 26, 2025 2:27 UTC (Mon) by smurf (subscriber, #17840) [Link]

> That's spot on but misses the point of why I generally prefer Supervised in the first place!

Me too, to be honest.

> I will roll with it all again because I have to but it isn't a good look and I don't see why it is necessary this time.

I won't. I'll keep on running it in Supervised mode no matter what. They said it'll continue to work, just not be end-user documented+supported, and I'm taking them at their word.

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Posted May 23, 2025 6:27 UTC (Fri) by pbonzini (subscriber, #60935) [Link]

The code is out there, you will have to gather the info yourself (and someone will surely do it) and they don't want to hear about you but it's possible to use it.

That said, Supervised has the advantage of managing add-ons but it's indeed tricky to debug. Containers are much easier to manage if you don't need add-ons.