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Codeberg responds to hate attacks

The Codeberg development forge has recently been subject to sustained attacks resulting in, among other things, abusive email being sent to the site's users. The organization has now put up a description and a defiant response:

Extreme right forces actively target members of our communities and discriminate based on ethnicity and gender, political background, sexual orientation, disabilities, nationality and faith. However diversity is an important asset in free/libre software communities and it is what makes our software great and development productive.

By targeting some of our most active translators, nicest designers, best developers and all other motivated contributors, they are hurting the free/libre software ecosystem as a whole.



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I received one of these emails

Posted Feb 12, 2025 19:33 UTC (Wed) by dskoll (subscriber, #1630) [Link] (2 responses)

It was pretty pathetic and gross. I guess Codeberg will have to start implementing a content filter, sadly.

I received one of these emails

Posted Feb 12, 2025 19:57 UTC (Wed) by KJ7RRV (subscriber, #153595) [Link] (1 responses)

I received it as well. This was something that a simple profanity filter would have caught, although the malicious user could, of course, easily bypass that. Still, it would be better than nothing.

I received one of these emails

Posted Feb 12, 2025 22:20 UTC (Wed) by aviallon (subscriber, #157205) [Link]

So, that's what those emails were about.
This is so lame.

Fell in the trap?

Posted Feb 13, 2025 5:29 UTC (Thu) by marcH (subscriber, #57642) [Link] (24 responses)

Isn't the response a bit too political? According to the response, the worst abuse came from _one_ crazy guy. It's not said how many attackers were involved in the earlier, more "focused" attacks but there was no mention of any "mob".

There is no reason to hide anything about the attacker and their ugly motives but the last _third_ of the response is 100% political and the rest is somewhat too. That's a lot of publicity: very likely one of the precise effects the attacker is after. Everything politicized - fell in the trap? I think these political problems are real but we could also use a break and not always describe every incident and every lunatic as some disciplined soldier part of some grander and organized army. It's not always the case. That's giving them way too much importance and credit and is only dividing us further.

Attention / clicks: one of the main currencies of our sad era. What we give way too much of, for free, to a minority of various "showmen" who do not deserve any of it (and to social media algorithms too but that's a different topic)

To be fair, if the response had been more tame then maybe fewer people would have heard about Codeberg. There is indeed "no bad publicity"; the system works.

Fell in the trap?

Posted Feb 13, 2025 6:15 UTC (Thu) by alan (guest, #4018) [Link] (1 responses)

Perhaps they know more about their attackers than you do. Why are you attempting to diminish the significance of these attacks?

Fell in the trap?

Posted Feb 13, 2025 8:00 UTC (Thu) by marcH (subscriber, #57642) [Link]

> Perhaps they know more about their attackers than you do.

Why "perhaps"? Why withhold information about the attackers that would actually justify the political stance?

> Why are you attempting to diminish the significance of these attacks?

What specific part(s) of my comment were not clear?

BTW I'm indeed questioning the _political_ significance of these attacks but not their _impact_. Thanks for understanding that.

Fell in the trap?

Posted Feb 13, 2025 6:30 UTC (Thu) by zdzichu (subscriber, #17118) [Link] (5 responses)

The existence of Codeberg is very political itself. It was founded as an anti-Microsoft initiative. They emphasize "free/libre" software strongly.

But their announcement was bit over the top. Putting the blame on "far right" forces sounds like a way to polarize and antagonize the community.

Fell in the trap?

Posted Feb 13, 2025 9:15 UTC (Thu) by ssmith32 (subscriber, #72404) [Link] (4 responses)

There is no relevant political party who has either a pro or anti Microsoft stance as a major part of their platform.

You have a very confused (or overly broad, to the point of meaningless) definition of "political".

There *are* major, relevant political parties with strong ties to white supremacy on the far right.

Fell in the trap?

Posted Feb 13, 2025 10:22 UTC (Thu) by numgmt (guest, #167446) [Link]

Anti-trust is a political issue.

Fell in the trap?

Posted Feb 13, 2025 14:51 UTC (Thu) by kleptog (subscriber, #1183) [Link] (2 responses)

These days, being nice to people and letting everyone just live their lives without interference has become political. It didn't used to be this way.

Fell in the trap?

Posted Feb 13, 2025 15:39 UTC (Thu) by pizza (subscriber, #46) [Link] (1 responses)

> These days, being nice to people and letting everyone just live their lives without interference has become political. It didn't used to be this way.

"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." -- Edmund Burke

Fell in the trap?

Posted Feb 14, 2025 7:57 UTC (Fri) by dsommers (subscriber, #55274) [Link]

This is quite a bit OT ... but that quote seems to be wrongly attributed. It's a very good quote, and the content itself is spot-on. But it's not from Edmund Burke.

https://www.reuters.com/article/fact-check/edmund-burke-d...

TL;DR from the Reuters Fact Check team:

> The quote on the triumph of evil is misattributed to the eighteenth-century Irish philosopher Edmund Burke. The quote is possibly a paraphrase, although a definitive source has yet to be found

One possible paraphrase source is from John Stuart Mill:

> Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing.

The challenge to relate this paraphrase to Burke is that Mill said this in an inaugural address in 1867. Burke died in 1797.

Another more in-depth quote check can be found here: https://quoteinvestigator.com/2010/12/04/good-men-do/

This is one of the quotes which really has stuck with the wrong attribution since early 1900, so I doubt it won't change much. But I'm fascinated by quotes and how many of them gets misattributed, so I can't resist digging into them.

Fell in the trap?

Posted Feb 13, 2025 12:08 UTC (Thu) by josh (subscriber, #17465) [Link]

100% of the message is "political". 100% of the *attack* was "political". Hate is, in that sense, "political". It's entirely appropriate to respond to such things with "we don't do that here, here's what we stand for and will continue to stand for".

Fell in the trap?

Posted Feb 13, 2025 14:32 UTC (Thu) by oliwer (subscriber, #40989) [Link] (11 responses)

I completely agree. If Codeberg's response had been less political, nobody would have talked about it, and they would not be under a DDoS right now. All that for a dumb spammer...

Fell in the trap?

Posted Feb 13, 2025 15:02 UTC (Thu) by kleptog (subscriber, #1183) [Link] (10 responses)

So your response to being attacked in an overtly political way would be to keep quiet and hope they go away?

That approach never works. It's not just the messages, but the choice of projects that were targeted.

If they were asking for money it might work. If it was a spammer who randomly targeted projects it might work. But a targeted attack doesn't go away by ignoring it.

Fell in the trap?

Posted Feb 13, 2025 15:06 UTC (Thu) by intelfx (subscriber, #130118) [Link] (8 responses)

> So your response to being attacked in an overtly political way

I got those emails and there was nothing political in them. It was just good old shock content spam. Am I missing anything?

Fell in the trap?

Posted Feb 13, 2025 18:36 UTC (Thu) by Thalience (subscriber, #4217) [Link] (6 responses)

What you are missing is that these messages are not just intended to shock. They are intended as a threat of more direct and physical political violence in the future.

People who have been on the receiving end of such direct political violence in the past can see clearly that it is happening again. To ignore it is to enable it.

Fell in the trap?

Posted Feb 13, 2025 18:37 UTC (Thu) by intelfx (subscriber, #130118) [Link] (3 responses)

> What you are missing is that these messages are not just intended to shock. They are intended as a threat of more direct and physical political violence in the future.

Do you have any sort of basis for this claim?

Fell in the trap?

Posted Feb 13, 2025 18:43 UTC (Thu) by Thalience (subscriber, #4217) [Link] (1 responses)

What sort of basis would satisfy you? How many historical examples of "this precedes that" would it take?

Fell in the trap?

Posted Feb 13, 2025 19:19 UTC (Thu) by intelfx (subscriber, #130118) [Link]

> How many historical examples of "this precedes that" would it take?

Got it. Looks like I am indeed not missing anything apart from some politically charged speculation. Good to know, thanks!

Fell in the trap?

Posted Feb 14, 2025 8:03 UTC (Fri) by dsommers (subscriber, #55274) [Link]

Maybe I'm missing the point in your question .... this is from the codeberg.org blog post [1]:

> [...] several projects advocating tolerance and equal rights on Codeberg have been subject to hate attacks, such as massive spam of abusive messages in their issue trackers.

I would say that "massive spam of abusive messages" combined with "several projects advocating tolerance and equal rights" indicates this being quite targeted and offensive.

[1] https://blog.codeberg.org/we-stay-strong-against-hate-and...

Fell in the trap?

Posted Feb 13, 2025 18:50 UTC (Thu) by sb (subscriber, #191) [Link]

To me it looks like the same kind of spam that's been posted on IRC and mailing lists and forums for the last 25 years, similar to the unexpected human anatomy lessons that users could receive on slashdot, produced by the same type of griefer personality.

I received a few of those codeberg emails and I too think that the language of the "fighting hate" announcement reads overly hyperbolic considering the likely nature of the attack. (Griefer discovers that codeberg allows prefix searches on usernames, spams some slurs or expletives, gets blocklisted.) Then again, I have no idea what other attacks they may be dealing with.

Fell in the trap?

Posted Feb 13, 2025 20:30 UTC (Thu) by marcH (subscriber, #57642) [Link]

> To ignore it is to enable it.

Again, crime is serious and it should _obviously not be "ignored"_. No one said that, can we please stop with the straw man arguments? It's also useful to describe the motives; no one questioned that either. It's about focus and nuance.

Crime is a _political_ issue only when above some thresholds - which are so far missing from that political and hyperbolic response, why? No one is asking for court-admissible evidence: a vague description of whatever far-right organization(s) were vaguely suspected to be involved would have been enough. But not even a mob was mentioned in this particular case. Yet?

Yes, the political issues of the moment (which are very real and very bad) are going to inspire every deranged individual. But if they're deranged, they would have been inspired by anything else. Describing every bully as part of some organized political plan is not credible and backfiring. It gives them the very exposure they want while making you look incapable of thinking outside politics. It's also distracting from the actual plans happening right now: once everything is political, "normal" people tune out and nothing is.

For a long time straw man arguments, conspiracy theories, exaggerating random and isolated crimes into political issues and ignoring numbers and statistics were unique to the far right. It's pretty sad to observe the left slowly "catching up". This has unsurprisingly be very "successful" on social media but recent elections across the world have looked different.

Fell in the trap?

Posted Feb 13, 2025 21:33 UTC (Thu) by excors (subscriber, #95769) [Link]

> I got those emails and there was nothing political in them. It was just good old shock content spam. Am I missing anything?

There are some relevant responses from Codeberg on Mastodon:

>> i do have to ask though, how do we know this was a far right attack?
> We assume this based on the history.
>
> 1. targeting leftist projects on Codeberg. We react quickly.
> 2. They flood our mailboxes with spam. We don't care.
> 3. They start sending racial slurs to all users of Codeberg.
>
> We suppose that people who want to blame the right would not accept the collateral damage to send potentially triggering racial slurs to all users of a platform.
(https://social.anoxinon.de/@Codeberg/113992798808070817)

> As we have written in the blog article, we have been busy cleaning targeted campaigns from certain projects that promote human rights and act against transphobia. As we tried to keep these projects clean, hate against our platform has continuously increased and finally resulted in this "spam".
>
> We are dealing with script kiddies every day, and while we cannot guarantee for the exact motive, we thought it was worth writing about, because it was different from the daily bored kids. ~f
(https://social.anoxinon.de/@Codeberg/113993784854472644)

> We faced attacks against human and trans rights projects in the past days, and have received email shitstorm, the spam wave and DDoS in response to standing up.
>
> If the attacks weren't coming from the right and we blamed the right, wouldn't attackers eventually laugh about this? However, since we apparently called them out, we have seen revenge.
>
> Since we are dealing with script kiddies every day, you might have noticed that we don't blog about such things often.
(https://social.anoxinon.de/@Codeberg/113998006693502179)

The spam message wasn't political by itself, it looks like regular 4chan-style juvenile trolling; but with the wider context, Codeberg sees it as an escalation of an ongoing series of attacks that clearly were targeted in a political direction. They can't prove the spam wasn't just an isolated trolling incident, but they think it would be naive to treat it as isolated and not part of this pattern, and they think the continuing escalation confirms that.

Fell in the trap?

Posted Feb 13, 2025 16:14 UTC (Thu) by marcH (subscriber, #57642) [Link]

> So your response to being attacked in an overtly political way would be to keep quiet and hope they go away?

Everything in that sentence is off. It would be difficult to miss my point even more.

Fell in the trap?

Posted Feb 14, 2025 16:20 UTC (Fri) by q3cpma (subscriber, #120859) [Link] (2 responses)

Received one of these mails. This is nothing more than "good" ol' trolling or maybe a very unimpressive false flag attack. But apparently a good opportunity for CB to vigorously wave their own flag and fearmonger about the "rise of evil forces threatening world peace" or whatever.

Fell in the trap?

Posted Feb 17, 2025 12:36 UTC (Mon) by jubal (subscriber, #67202) [Link] (1 responses)

have you considered that – having received only one or a few more messages – you might be missing the wider context?

Fell in the trap?

Posted Feb 17, 2025 17:33 UTC (Mon) by marcH (subscriber, #57642) [Link]

If there is non-tenuous connection to a wider context it should have simply been made explicit. "Just happened after" is tenuous when you're also complaining that you are under constant attack.


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