OpenStreetMap contemplates licensing
Your editor likes to grumble about such things; meanwhile, the OpenStreetMap project (OSM) is busily doing something about it. OSM has put together a database and a set of tools making it easy for anybody to enter location data with the intent of producing a free mapping database with global coverage. It is an ambitious project, to say the least, but it's working:
OSM data is not limited to roads; just about any point or
track of interest can be added to the database. If current trends
continue, OSM could well grow into the most extensive geolocation database
anywhere - free or proprietary. And those trends could well continue; one
of the nice aspects of this kind of project is that no particular expertise
is needed to contribute. All you need is a GPS receiver and some time; some OSM
local groups have even acquired a set of receivers to lend out to
interested volunteers. This is our planet, and we can all help to map it.
All this work raises an interesting question, though: under what license should this accumulated data be distributed? Currently, the OSM database is covered by the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.0 license. It is a copyleft-style license, requiring that derived products be made available under the same license. So, for example, if a GPS navigator manufacturer were to include an enhanced version of the OSM database in its products, it would have to release the enhanced version under the CC by-SA license.
The OSM project is not happy with this license, though, and is looking to make a change. The attribution requirement is ambiguous in this context; do users need to credit every OSM contributor? Does making a plot of OSM data with added data layered on top create a derived product? But the scariest question is a different one: can the CC by-SA license cover the OSM database at all?
Copyright law covers creative expression, not facts. The information in the OSM database is almost entirely factual in nature; one cannot copyright the location of a street corner. So what OSM is trying to protect is not the individual locations, but the database as a whole. Copyright law does allow for the protection of databases, but that law is far more complex than the law for pure creative works, and it varies far more between jurisdictions. Europe has a specific (though much-derided) database right, the US has far weaker database protections, and other parts of the planet lack this protection altogether. So it may well be that, if some evil corporation decides to appropriate the OSM database for its own nefarious, proprietary purposes, there will be nothing that the OSM project can do about it.
So the project is thinking of making a switch to the Open Database License (ODbL), which is still being developed. It, too, is a copyleft-style license, but it is crafted to make use of whatever database protection is available in a given jurisdiction. To that end, the ODbL is explicitly structured as a contract between the database owner and the user. In any jurisdiction where database rights are not recognized under copyright law, the contractual nature of the ODbL should provide a legal basis to go after license violators.
But the use of contract law muddies the water considerably; there are good reasons why free software licenses are carefully written to avoid that path. Contracts are only valid if they are explicitly and voluntarily entered into by all parties. If the OSM cannot show that a license violator agreed to abide by the license, it has no case under contract law. The project has a plan to address this problem:
Registration and clickthrough licensing are obnoxious, to say the least. But, in any case, the only people who will go through that process are those who obtain the database directly from OpenStreetMap. The ODbL allows redistribution, naturally, and it does not require that explicit agreement be obtained from recipients of the database. So it is hard to see an outcome where copies of the database lacking a "signed" contract do not proliferate. Additionally, reliance on contract law makes it very hard to get injunctive relief, weakening any enforcement efforts considerably.
The ODbL includes an anti-DRM measure; if a vendor locks down a copy of the database with some sort of DRM scheme, that vendor must also make an unrestricted copy available. This license tries to distinguish between "collective databases" (which are not derived works) and "derivative databases" (which are). Drawing layers on top of an OSM-based map is a collective work; tracing lines from such a map is a derivative work. It is, in general, a complex bit of work.
It is complex enough that a number of OSM contributors are wondering if it's all worth it. Jordan Hatcher is one of the authors of the ODbL, and he supports its use with OSM, but even he understands the concerns that some people have:
There is an active group with OSM which is opposed to this kind of licensing and would, in fact, rather just get down to the task of collecting and distributing the data. They express themselves in terms like this:
Not: You don't give us your data, fine, then we create a complex legal licensing framework that will ultimately get you bogged down in so many requests by prospective users who would like to use our data and yours but cannot and you will sooner or later have to release your data according to the terms we dictate and then we will have won and the world will be a better place.
These contributors would rather that OSM release its data into the public domain - or something very close to that. Rather than put together a complicated license, they prefer to just publish their data for anybody to use as they see fit. There have been all of the usual discussions which resemble any "GPL vs. BSD" licensing flame war one has ever seen - except that the OSM folks appear to be a very polite crowd. It comes down to the usual question: will the OSM database become more complete and useful if those who extend it are forced to contribute back their changes?
The public domain contingent clearly does not believe that any improvements to the database obtained via licensing constraints will be worth the trouble. So it seems likely that there will be some sort of fork involving the creation of a smaller, purely public-domain OSM database. It may well be an in-house fork, with the public domain data being merged into the larger, more restrictively licensed database for distribution. Regardless of how that goes, this split raises issues of its own: how are the two databases to be kept distinct in the face of cooperative additions and edits?
Any relicensing of the database also brings up another interesting question: what to do about all of the existing data, which may or may not be copyrighted by those who contributed or edited it? The license change may well require a process of getting assent from all contributors and purging data obtained from those who do not agree. This proposed timeline shows how the project is thinking about working through this task. It is hard to imagine this process going entirely smoothly.
The OSM community clearly has a set of thorny issues to work out. Given
that, it's not surprising that this process has already been dragged out
over the better part of a year. How this issue is eventually resolved will
certainly serve as an example - not necessarily a good example - for other
projects working on free compilations of factual data.
Let us hope that OSM can come to a
solution which lets this project continue to grow and generate a valuable
database that we all will benefit from.
Posted Oct 22, 2008 17:37 UTC (Wed)
by xav (guest, #18536)
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Posted Oct 22, 2008 18:02 UTC (Wed)
by corbet (editor, #1)
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Posted Oct 22, 2008 17:51 UTC (Wed)
by erwaelde (subscriber, #34976)
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That sums it up for me. I do contribute bits from my little world and I'm very grateful to all the others who contribute theirs. Thanks!
Erich
Posted Oct 22, 2008 17:56 UTC (Wed)
by rvfh (guest, #31018)
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Posted Oct 22, 2008 18:24 UTC (Wed)
by rfunk (subscriber, #4054)
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Posted Oct 23, 2008 10:10 UTC (Thu)
by lysse (guest, #3190)
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Posted Oct 22, 2008 19:39 UTC (Wed)
by asamardzic (guest, #27161)
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Posted Oct 23, 2008 0:55 UTC (Thu)
by JoeBuck (subscriber, #2330)
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Posted Oct 22, 2008 20:11 UTC (Wed)
by adegeus (guest, #22055)
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Posted Oct 24, 2008 16:01 UTC (Fri)
by giraffedata (guest, #1954)
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A significant part of the article covered that question. It's the same question as why don't we put the Linux kernel in the public domain: The idea is that copyright is valuable property and rather than give it away completely, the owners can trade it for other people giving up some of their copyright. E.g. if I let you distribute my map layer, you have to let everyone distribute yours.
According to the article, some people believe in this with respect to OSM and others believe there's not enough out there to trade for, so it's just not worth the legal trouble.
Posted Oct 22, 2008 20:47 UTC (Wed)
by khim (subscriber, #9252)
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In Russia or China, for example, posession of the OpenStreetMap on your
laptop can bring you to a jail (probably not right now as maps of Russian
are pretty rudimentary in OSM). What can be done (if anything) about that?
Posted Oct 22, 2008 22:33 UTC (Wed)
by denf (guest, #23577)
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On a serious note, I believe this is not the case anymore. With GLONASS
Posted Oct 23, 2008 5:17 UTC (Thu)
by khim (subscriber, #9252)
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If the map has proper licenses it's not illegal anymore. But if you did
it yourself and included wrong type of information... treason is not an
easy charge to repell.
Posted Oct 23, 2008 2:23 UTC (Thu)
by clugstj (subscriber, #4020)
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Posted Oct 23, 2008 2:40 UTC (Thu)
by flewellyn (subscriber, #5047)
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Posted Oct 23, 2008 3:56 UTC (Thu)
by felixfix (subscriber, #242)
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Posted Oct 23, 2008 3:57 UTC (Thu)
by flewellyn (subscriber, #5047)
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Posted Oct 23, 2008 4:24 UTC (Thu)
by felixfix (subscriber, #242)
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Why you would expect any dictatorship to be modern and up to date in their thinking is beyond me.
Posted Oct 23, 2008 5:26 UTC (Thu)
by khim (subscriber, #9252)
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Compare this and this.
Note: both maps contain kind of "black hole" in the middle of the town.
Sure: it's some kind of top-sikrit object. I'm pretty sure appropriate
Google search reveal which object exactly - but it does not mean you'll not
be jailed for possesion of map of that object. It does not work as military precaution but it works very well indeded
if you want to punish someone :-)
Posted Oct 27, 2008 14:54 UTC (Mon)
by hummassa (subscriber, #307)
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Posted Oct 27, 2008 18:15 UTC (Mon)
by khim (subscriber, #9252)
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Just like another example it's pointless and stupid. Yet it's law.
Posted Oct 23, 2008 5:18 UTC (Thu)
by afalko (guest, #37028)
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Today in Russia, I would except you to be allowed to use OSM and OSM's license would likely be enforced to the furthest extends of the law (which IMO would not be a great extent). However, you probably will get in deep trouble if you submit gps mappings containing perceived military secrets.
If you use openssh in Russia, then legally you are committing a crime, as you are not allowed to use encryption tools without permission from the government. Once again, it comes down to enforcement. From what I know, just about every corporation in Russia skimps on taxes. The government does not really care much unless you get out of line, in which case you're going to find yourself behind bars for the tax evasion everyone commits.
Anyway, back on topic, you should be OK submitting maps to OSM in Russia, but just don't start submitting GPS mappings of your attempts to find Nuclear warheads :).
Posted Oct 23, 2008 8:23 UTC (Thu)
by khim (subscriber, #9252)
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Map ownership is not restricted. Map creation is. It's kinda hard to
point to someone who owns the license (granted by Russian government) for
OSM... All other maps (especially printed ones but also Google Maps or
Yandex Maps) have pointer to someone who owns the license. That being said I'm pretty sure induvidual users will not be jailed, but
Linux distributors who include OMS data on the CD... that's another
question altogether :-)
Posted Oct 23, 2008 10:12 UTC (Thu)
by lysse (guest, #3190)
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Posted Oct 24, 2008 15:49 UTC (Fri)
by giraffedata (guest, #1954)
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Superfluous how? It didn't make it harder for Germans to get around, or Germans weren't going to be there?
Posted Oct 24, 2008 17:54 UTC (Fri)
by Hawke (guest, #6978)
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Posted Oct 24, 2008 11:49 UTC (Fri)
by gdt (subscriber, #6284)
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There was a conviction of Faheem Khalid Lodhi in Australia in 2003 for "possessing things connected with terrorist acts". The "thing" was a map of an Australian state's electricity grid. See Regina v Lodhi [2006] NSWSC 691. Lodhi's map was not a street map, but major transmission links and substations could well appear in OpenStreetMap as they are particularly good reference points in rural areas.
Posted Oct 24, 2008 14:20 UTC (Fri)
by flewellyn (subscriber, #5047)
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Posted Jan 17, 2011 12:14 UTC (Mon)
by wookey (guest, #5501)
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And recall what happened to some UK plane spotters a few years back for a general idea of the paranoia level. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/greek-cour...
You can see the remnants of this 'maps are military' meme in the UK, where the mapping agency is still called the 'Ordnance Survey' (ordnance is bombs and missiles). Mapping was once an almost exclusively military activity. A few countries haven't quite got past this to accept that it's incredibly useful for everyone and that military/state control of mapping is no longer possible.
Posted Oct 23, 2008 8:15 UTC (Thu)
by filipjoelsson (guest, #2622)
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Nevermind that it is quite stupid - all you need to do to find military mobilization stuff is to compare aerial photography with recent maps (stuff that's in the photo but not the map tends to stand out) - it's quite illegal anyway. So is photographing from the air (plane or tower) without a permit, btw.
Is it obvious we've spent hundreds of years being afraid of the Russians, or what?
Posted Oct 24, 2008 18:01 UTC (Fri)
by Creideiki (subscriber, #38747)
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Almost correct. SFS 1993:1742 6§ says you're not allowed to distribute aerial photographs or detailed maps without permission. There are only a few areas (see AIP ENR 5 2.2.1, or any TMA map) where photography in itself is forbidden. Interestingly, SFS 1993:1742 7§ explicitly exempts pure satellite images from the permission requirements. How high resolution are the best satellite images commercially available nowadays?
Posted Oct 23, 2008 8:27 UTC (Thu)
by dottedmag (subscriber, #18590)
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Posted Oct 23, 2008 8:41 UTC (Thu)
by khim (subscriber, #9252)
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Heh. That's bisuness model of Geocentre Consulting: they check licenses
of firms who offer maps and if they don't have proper licenses - they are
going to them and demand to sign an agreement. Alternative is not pretty:
high penalty or jail time. You may be true as far as actual jail time is
concerned: it gives nothing to extorters so I can not recall any recent
cases where it actually happened. But fines are fine :-) They can be used
with great "otkat" technology to produce actual money. So if you are talking about problems for pesonal use - it's probably Ok
(too much hassle for too little gain), but shops who'll offer CDs with
OSM... that's another story :-)
Posted Oct 22, 2008 23:00 UTC (Wed)
by jengelh (guest, #33263)
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Posted Oct 23, 2008 0:22 UTC (Thu)
by corbet (editor, #1)
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Posted Oct 22, 2008 23:37 UTC (Wed)
by dlang (guest, #313)
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as such I think it's wrong to turn around and try and protect databases of facts that we accumulate (this map data is a very good example)
Posted Oct 23, 2008 2:09 UTC (Thu)
by pj (subscriber, #4506)
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Posted Oct 23, 2008 4:24 UTC (Thu)
by butlerm (subscriber, #13312)
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Posted Oct 23, 2008 4:16 UTC (Thu)
by pabs (subscriber, #43278)
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Posted Oct 23, 2008 4:31 UTC (Thu)
by dankamongmen (subscriber, #35141)
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wow, cs4001's term paper came in handy. who'd have thought?
Posted Oct 23, 2008 7:14 UTC (Thu)
by ewan (guest, #5533)
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Posted Oct 23, 2008 10:53 UTC (Thu)
by k3ninho (subscriber, #50375)
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I'm unsure about other jurisdictions but, in the UK, Copyright in an original work requires expenditure of more than a trivial degree of independent skill, labour and judgement. In the case preparing the maps for OSM, it's arguable that the skill required in operating the GPS device and converting its recorded information, the labour in travelling the journeys required to make the survey, and the judgement in editing the map data before upload would ensure that the embodiment of information justifies protection by copyright. Does the Berne Convention not mean that these criteria apply internationally?
I believe that copyright subsists in the OSM data. There will further be a database right in EU. Is there an assignment of copyright when you upload map data? If not, that's a slipup. But the real issue is that OSM may take on GIS providers whose datasets are extremely expensive. That will require some clear thinking about how to ensure that the community retains access to their mapping.
Posted Oct 23, 2008 11:45 UTC (Thu)
by spaetz (guest, #32870)
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We are not talking about not being able to copyright the map. Of course a map is copyrightable. The choice of colors and other issues makes it an expression of creativity.
The database that contains those "facts" is a different beast though. It is just that: a collection of facts. And copyright does not apply to facts.
Posted Oct 27, 2008 17:29 UTC (Mon)
by lacostej (guest, #2760)
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How precise need a fact to be so that it becomes a fact ? The GPS positionning is precise up to a certain limit. Plus there are potential issues (hardware, user errors, etc..) that make the data in the database unique.
Think about a group of painters trying to reproduce a landscape, each with different tools. Althought the end result might be very similar to the reality (the facts), it could be slightly different enough to be seen as a creation. Futhermore, as the work is always in progress and uses so many contributors make it a special case. It's not like the creation was directed/controlled and the current result (a sub set of the reality) is some sort of community art. Or do we need changes in the law to manage those community gathered 'facts' ?
Finally: what about using colors to represent the GPS positions ? :) Or losing some precision/introducing small errors voluntarily in order to make the result a creation ?
Posted Oct 28, 2008 4:43 UTC (Tue)
by dvdeug (guest, #10998)
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Posted Jan 12, 2011 21:09 UTC (Wed)
by Eliot (guest, #19701)
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All you need is a web browser connected to OSM, local knowledge, and some time. Much useful mapping can be done without a GPS by using available satellite imagery and local knowledge.
See http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapping_techniques#Sat...
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"it is crafted to make use of whatever database protection is available in a given distribution"
s/distribution/juridiction/ ?
Yes, obviously. Fixed now.
Jurisdiction
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It appears
that Wikipedia chose the GNU Free Documentation License.
But no, it's not the same problem. They're copyrighting an
expression of (hopefully) facts as written in articles by
contributors, not a collection of raw facts.
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Not necessarily facts at all, in some cases. They're definitely
covered by copyright. ;)
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Legal vs. technical content at LWN
I suggest just skipping the content that you aren't interested in. Like it or not, these issues do matter; it's OK if you don't care, but many do.
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Why not just make OSM "public domain", so no license would be required at all?
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In other news...
can be done about that?
being pushed to public use accurate maps have to be legal in Russia.
Posession? No. Mapmaking? Yes.
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Not very well at all - it does not mean you'll not be jailed
404 - black hole not found...
Have you really expected BLACK hole? Oh, silly me. It's GRAY. Big difference there. See "ulitsa Tihonravova"? See buildings across the street? On other side - there are numbers 28,30,32,36,38/2, 40, 42. On the other side... On satellite there are over 20 building of different sizes. On the map... nothing. Huge gray blob. WHY these buildings are not marked? Yup: that's top-sikrit object in question. MCC to be exact.Stange - I can see it clearly.
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It's not legal to OWN map - it's illegal to CREATE map
Although as someone who grew up in a rural area of England, I can attest to
that gesture being largely superfluous...
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WW II road signs in rural England
as someone who grew up in a rural area of England, I can attest to that gesture being largely superfluous...
WW II road signs in rural England
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Exaggeration? Yes, but not a big one.
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Proprietary additions would probably be completely different types of data. On the list there was a discussion of a city's database of bus stops, for example.
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That won't work. The sine qua non of copyright is creativity. A usable machine generated natural language representation of a database of facts would not have this property.
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protection on the grounds that it's just a big bundle of facts, since any
such decision would surely also destroy the copyright on existing
proprietary mapping databases, and get to the end goal of Free maps that
much quicker?
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Fact & precision ? Multiple contributors ?
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Don't even need a GPS receiver