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There are yet another side to all this
Posted Oct 23, 2008 3:56 UTC (Thu) by felixfix (subscriber, #242)
Posted Oct 23, 2008 3:57 UTC (Thu) by flewellyn (subscriber, #5047)
Posted Oct 23, 2008 4:24 UTC (Thu) by felixfix (subscriber, #242)
Why you would expect any dictatorship to be modern and up to date in their thinking is beyond me.
Not very well at all - it does not mean you'll not be jailed
Posted Oct 23, 2008 5:26 UTC (Thu) by khim (subscriber, #9252)
Compare this and this.
Note: both maps contain kind of "black hole" in the middle of the town.
Sure: it's some kind of top-sikrit object. I'm pretty sure appropriate
Google search reveal which object exactly - but it does not mean you'll not
be jailed for possesion of map of that object.
It does not work as military precaution but it works very well indeded
if you want to punish someone :-)
404 - black hole not found...
Posted Oct 27, 2008 14:54 UTC (Mon) by hummassa (subscriber, #307)
Stange - I can see it clearly.
Posted Oct 27, 2008 18:15 UTC (Mon) by khim (subscriber, #9252)
Just like another example it's pointless and stupid. Yet it's law.
Posted Oct 23, 2008 5:18 UTC (Thu) by afalko (subscriber, #37028)
Today in Russia, I would except you to be allowed to use OSM and OSM's license would likely be enforced to the furthest extends of the law (which IMO would not be a great extent). However, you probably will get in deep trouble if you submit gps mappings containing perceived military secrets.
If you use openssh in Russia, then legally you are committing a crime, as you are not allowed to use encryption tools without permission from the government. Once again, it comes down to enforcement. From what I know, just about every corporation in Russia skimps on taxes. The government does not really care much unless you get out of line, in which case you're going to find yourself behind bars for the tax evasion everyone commits.
Anyway, back on topic, you should be OK submitting maps to OSM in Russia, but just don't start submitting GPS mappings of your attempts to find Nuclear warheads :).
It's not legal to OWN map - it's illegal to CREATE map
Posted Oct 23, 2008 8:23 UTC (Thu) by khim (subscriber, #9252)
Map ownership is not restricted. Map creation is. It's kinda hard to
point to someone who owns the license (granted by Russian government) for
OSM... All other maps (especially printed ones but also Google Maps or
Yandex Maps) have pointer to someone who owns the license.
That being said I'm pretty sure induvidual users will not be jailed, but
Linux distributors who include OMS data on the CD... that's another
question altogether :-)
Posted Oct 23, 2008 10:12 UTC (Thu) by lysse (guest, #3190)
WW II road signs in rural England
Posted Oct 24, 2008 15:49 UTC (Fri) by giraffedata (subscriber, #1954)
as someone who grew up in a rural area of England, I can attest to that gesture being largely superfluous...
Superfluous how? It didn't make it harder for Germans to get around, or Germans weren't going to be there?
Posted Oct 24, 2008 17:54 UTC (Fri) by Hawke (guest, #6978)
Posted Oct 24, 2008 11:49 UTC (Fri) by gdt (guest, #6284)
There was a conviction of Faheem Khalid Lodhi in Australia in 2003 for "possessing things connected with terrorist acts". The "thing" was a map of an Australian state's electricity grid. See Regina v Lodhi  NSWSC 691.
Lodhi's map was not a street map, but major transmission links and substations could well appear in OpenStreetMap as they are particularly good reference points in rural areas.
Posted Oct 24, 2008 14:20 UTC (Fri) by flewellyn (subscriber, #5047)
Posted Jan 17, 2011 12:14 UTC (Mon) by wookey (subscriber, #5501)
And recall what happened to some UK plane spotters a few years back for a general idea of the paranoia level. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/greek-cour...
You can see the remnants of this 'maps are military' meme in the UK, where the mapping agency is still called the 'Ordnance Survey' (ordnance is bombs and missiles). Mapping was once an almost exclusively military activity. A few countries haven't quite got past this to accept that it's incredibly useful for everyone and that military/state control of mapping is no longer possible.
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