Mozilla Firefox 0.9 released
Faster, more secure, easier to use and sporting a new look, this latest Firefox release sets a new standard for web browser innovation."
There is also a
Thunderbird 0.7 release candidate available for testing.
Posted Jun 15, 2004 15:47 UTC (Tue)
by horen (guest, #2514)
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firefox-installer instructs one to "Click Next to continue installing Mozilla Firefox 0.9"; however, the button to click is labelled "Forward". Edit:Preferences:Downloads doesn't allow one to add new File Types, or to edit existing ones. Tools:Themes (why is Themes separate? if they're gonna move one, move *all*) doesn't work, period. Not only doesn't it allow one to install themes which are not from its "Get More Themes" site, but it also doesn't install themes which *are* from there (the only option is Save to Disk -- but then what?!) Installing Extensions, however, *does* work. Send this back to QA -- after all this time, and after all the previous milestone releases, this is unacceptable.
Posted Jun 15, 2004 16:14 UTC (Tue)
by rsidd (subscriber, #2582)
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It does allow you to edit existing ones, and I guess you'd add a new one when you click on an unknown file type, so that's ok.
I haven't tried the installer, but
Tools:Themes doesn't work, period
Yes, this is very annoying, especially after they've chucked the Qute theme -- are they deliberately making it harder to install it? The new one looks subtly wrong on my screen, at least -- too much empty space about the icons.
Posted Jun 15, 2004 16:33 UTC (Tue)
by horen (guest, #2514)
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Posted Jun 15, 2004 17:09 UTC (Tue)
by drathos (guest, #6454)
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And why are Extensions under Tools, rather than Edit:Preferences? And why is Download Manager under *both* Edit:Preferences AND Tools??? I would imagine because the options under Tools are launching tools. Tools->Extensions should launch the Extension Manager, Tools->Themes launches the Theme Manager, and Tools->Downloads launches the Download Manager. Edit->Preferences->Downloads is for adjusting the options for the Download Manager, not for launching the manager itself. NOTE: I could be wrong about this becuase I haven't tried 0.9 yet. I'm still waiting for some of the extensions I use to be updated for it.
Posted Jun 15, 2004 18:20 UTC (Tue)
by rsidd (subscriber, #2582)
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Probably imported from your previous profile.
There isn't any "unknown file type"! What I'm saying is, if you clicked on a link going to an unknown file type (say, pdf) it should prompt you for what to do, and if you then click on "automatically take this action next time" it will do that next time. (I do have xpdf set up for pdf, but not automatic, so it doesn't appear in the download extensions menu; however, it remembers my previous choice of xpdf and shows that in the prompt.)
Posted Jun 15, 2004 17:18 UTC (Tue)
by pointwood (guest, #2814)
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Theme install *do* actually work, what doesn't work though, is the update.mozilla.org site. They are aware of it and are working on fixing that, so it will hopefully soon be working as it should. If you want the Qute theme installed, you can install it from here: http://quadrone.org/graphics/ It's changed a bit though - the dividing rules are gone for some reason. I don't like that change :(
Posted Jun 15, 2004 18:23 UTC (Tue)
by rsidd (subscriber, #2582)
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Well, that site redirects me to update.mozilla.org... but well, it seems to be working now, though rather slow.
Posted Jun 15, 2004 18:28 UTC (Tue)
by rsidd (subscriber, #2582)
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Posted Jun 15, 2004 21:26 UTC (Tue)
by pointwood (guest, #2814)
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Anyway, you can change the size of the icons easily - I'll leave it up to yourself to figure out how.
Posted Jun 16, 2004 2:56 UTC (Wed)
by rsidd (subscriber, #2582)
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Your point being? The Mozilla folks aren't trying to be some hobbyist system like lynx or OpenBSD. They're trying to compete with Microsoft. I don't see a notice on their page "If you don't like something, you have the source, fix it yourself." (In fact, I don't see that on lynx's or openbsd's pages, either.)
Posted Jun 16, 2004 5:27 UTC (Wed)
by darthmdh (guest, #8032)
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Extremely poor troll there. I'll ignore the pointless ones ("hobbyist system", "compete with Microsoft") and concentrate solely on this:
I don't see a notice on their page "If you don't like something, you have the source, fix it yourself."
That's because it's implicit with the definition of Open Source software. Mugs don't come with notices saying "grip handle and lift to mouth, tip slightly to enjoy beverage" because most people realise they were given a brain in order to use it, and do so.
Drastic measures were taken with 0.9 to ensure that the entire Firefox release remains completely open source, including the removal of the proprietary Qute theme. I look forward to *stripe improving in due course, just like Qute originally looked pretty darn crappy too.
Posted Jun 16, 2004 13:25 UTC (Wed)
by rsidd (subscriber, #2582)
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That's because it's implicit with the definition of Open Source software. My point is that this is all very well if the target audience is programmers (as is the case for GNU Emacs). The target audience for a web browser is most certainly not programmers.
Drastic measures were taken with 0.9 to ensure that the entire Firefox release remains completely open source, including the removal of the proprietary Qute theme.
FYI, the Firefox logo is itself proprietary (trademarked by the Mozilla foundation) and they don't allow using it on non-official builds. This became a big issue with the Debian project, for instance. Debian now uses a different icon for firefox, which has no connection with Mozilla at all.
Posted Jun 24, 2004 9:23 UTC (Thu)
by job (guest, #670)
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Posted Jun 17, 2004 13:31 UTC (Thu)
by trutkin (guest, #3919)
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Posted Jun 15, 2004 17:36 UTC (Tue)
by petebull (subscriber, #7857)
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Posted Jun 15, 2004 17:36 UTC (Tue)
by xorbe (guest, #3165)
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Posted Jun 15, 2004 19:15 UTC (Tue)
by tjw.org (guest, #20716)
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The '-remote' flag can't find the any running instances of firefox. I #!/bin/sh
Posted Jun 16, 2004 5:13 UTC (Wed)
by darthmdh (guest, #8032)
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Remoting doesn't work for me in the 0.9-rc either - so it's probably a new bug. (Note - you don't need your own script, the stock firebird script will do it for you)
Posted Jun 16, 2004 14:29 UTC (Wed)
by jamesh (guest, #1159)
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Firefox 0.8 used the ~/.phoenix subdirectory for data such as profiles, according to the release notes (see the "Uninstalling Firefox" section about the directory it creates). In this respect, it is the same as previous releases. Firefox 0.9 uses the ~/.mozilla/firefox directory to store data according to its release notes (see the "Changes You Should Be Aware Of" section). It does mention that some intermediate builds used ~/.firefox which is why you might have a directory by that name on your system. It says that if you update the profiles.ini file appropriately you can move the profile over to ~/.mozilla/firefox though, if you want to get rid of that directory.
Posted Jun 16, 2004 15:10 UTC (Wed)
by tjw.org (guest, #20716)
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Also, it looks as though you are correct about the ~/.firefox directory being created by the rc build since I can't get 0.9 to re-create it. However, I'm still convinced that all this dir switching is the root of this bug because when I strace a 'firefox -remote' command with 0.9 it is still looking for ~/.firefox for the profile instead of ~/.mozilla/firefox. QED
Posted Jun 16, 2004 19:36 UTC (Wed)
by tjw.org (guest, #20716)
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I had to edit the firefox/firefox shell script to change: MOZ_USER_DIR=".firefox" to: MOZ_USER_DIR=".mozilla/firefox" Now the -remote flag works.
Posted Jun 17, 2004 14:27 UTC (Thu)
by papabean (guest, #22389)
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Posted Jun 17, 2004 16:11 UTC (Thu)
by tjw.org (guest, #20716)
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Posted Jun 17, 2004 16:15 UTC (Thu)
by tjw.org (guest, #20716)
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Posted Jun 17, 2004 18:29 UTC (Thu)
by darknater (subscriber, #10224)
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Should work
Posted Jun 18, 2004 13:39 UTC (Fri)
by tjw.org (guest, #20716)
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Posted Sep 10, 2004 4:00 UTC (Fri)
by recbo (guest, #24624)
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Spaces in openURL() params OK now, see below.
In debian, thunderbird is actually checking
ln -s /usr/local/bin/firefox /etc/alternatives/www-browser
as well as set the Tools Options HTML text
_____________________________________________________________________
# ~/.thunderbird/default/gpdz162a.slt/prefs.js
_____________________________________________________________________
#!/bin/sh
if [ -z "$1" ]
Posted Jun 16, 2004 5:43 UTC (Wed)
by ssavitzky (subscriber, #2855)
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Most of the extensions, including *all* of the ones I was using, are gone. Think I'll wait for 1.0; this one's just too buggy. Too bad; I was looking forward to it.
Posted Jun 17, 2004 2:07 UTC (Thu)
by jonabbey (guest, #2736)
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Posted Jun 18, 2004 4:07 UTC (Fri)
by sitaram (guest, #5959)
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The following either just dont work (as in "nothing happens") or, worse, hangs FF and you have to xkill it: - Edit -> Prefs -> Advanced -> Certificates -> Manage Certificates There seem to be some serious problems here. Makes me wish I'd made some time to test the pre-release builds sometime and submit bugs... But that's always the problem -- no time!
Posted Jun 24, 2004 9:25 UTC (Thu)
by job (guest, #670)
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Not Ready For Prime TimeMozilla Firefox 0.9 released
Edit:Preferences:Downloads doesn't allow one to add new File Types, or to edit existing ones.Mozilla Firefox 0.9 released
It does allow you to edit existing ones, and I guess you'd add a new one when you click on an unknown file type, so that's ok.
Right on the first part; my bad. But my version of firefox-0.9 (linux/x86) lists the following file types: bz2, gz, rpm, tar, xpm
There isn't any "unknown file type"!
And why are Extensions under Tools, rather than Edit:Preferences?
And why is Download Manager under *both* Edit:Preferences AND Tools???
Send this one back to the dog-pound...
Mozilla Firefox 0.9 released
Mozilla Firefox 0.9 released
But my version of firefox-0.9 (linux/x86) lists the following file types: bz2, gz, rpm, tar, xpm Mozilla Firefox 0.9 released
"Tools:Themes doesn't work, period"Mozilla Firefox 0.9 released
If you want the Qute theme installed, you can install it from here: http://quadrone.org/graphics/Mozilla Firefox 0.9 released
And it looks ugly... why are the icons so big? Firefox 0.8 looked good, they've somewhat undone that now
Mozilla Firefox 0.9 released
It amazes me how quickly people seem to forget that this is free software. Mozilla Firefox 0.9 released
It amazes me how quickly people seem to forget that this is free software.Mozilla Firefox 0.9 released
Mozilla Firefox 0.9 released
Mozilla Firefox 0.9 released
I don't see a notice on their page "If you don't like something, you have the source, fix it yourself."
Hardly. Mozilla Firefox 0.9 released
Don't forget that you are not allowed to compile Mozilla Firefox yourself
unless you use your own icon and rename the software.
How the distributors do it is a mystery, I bet they have to get special
permission from the Mozilla Foundation. If that's Free Software then that
definition must be changed.
Yes, this is very annoying, especially after they've chucked the Qute theme -- are they
deliberately making it harder to install it?
Mozilla Firefox 0.9 released
Yes, they are *deliberately* trying to keep you from using the old theme. That's how much they
hate *you* and *Qute*. It's disgusting, really.
Actually, it's a bug on the theme server.
Never attribute to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity. -- Nick Diamos
> (the only option is Save to Disk -- but then what?!) Mozilla Firefox 0.9 released
FireFox Help -> Themes -> Install other themes -> Localfile
http://texturizer.net/firefox/themes/
HTH,
Peter
What the hell did they do to 0.9? It looks awful. And it popped up 2 menus at the same time and froze my X, and I had to drop to the console and kill FF. And the menus are all confusing now. 0.8 works fine... I'll just hang on for a hopefully better 1.0 or 0.95 or something.
Mozilla Firefox 0.9 released
Bugs Abound
I too am sticking with 0.8.
think this has to do with the fact that the ~/.phoenix directory is no longer used, but instead BOTH ~/.mozilla and ~/.firefox are used (possibly not intended). This is the show stopper for me since I can't use my handy /usr/local/bin/firefox script anymore:
cd /usr/local/firefox && (./firefox -remote "openURL($1, new-window)" || ./firefox $@)
The ~/.phoenix directory isn't used in 0.8 either (it was thrown out in 0.7 iirc). Using both ~/.firefox and ~/.mozilla is kinda irritating though (bugged me since ~/.phonix was removed). Note that it doesn't actually do much in the ~/.mozilla dir - it's probably some leftover crud from the mozilla stuff.Bugs Abound
Bugs Abound
Yes, I'm positive that 0.8 uses ~/.phoenix, but what I didn't realize was that it too creates an empty ~/.mozilla directory.Bugs Abound
Bugs Abound
Just figured this out.
Was that the only change you had to make? I still can't get the -remote to work.
Bugs Abound
I guess I jumped to conclusions because -remote still doesn't work for me either.
Bugs Abound
Bugs Abound
(Note - you don't need your own script, the stock firebird script will do it for you)
I tested this, and it doesn't appear to be true.
Sure the stock firebird script seems to open up a new firefox window, but
it does not work if you provide a URL (at least not with 0.8 and obviously not with 0.9)
To test try running the following commands:
firefox &
firefox http://www.google.com
When I do this I get prompted with the dialog to create a new profile. Using my one line shell script it works.
mozilla-xremote-client -a firefox "openurl($1,new-window)"Bugs Abound
Bugs Abound
mozilla-xremote-client -a firefox "openurl($1,new-window)"
It does!
Should work
It is important to note that if there is a space between the parameters of the openURL() function, then it fails.
Example:
> ./mozilla-xremote-client -a firefox "openURL(google, new-window)"
./mozilla-xremote-client: Error: Failed to send command: 509 internal error
Here's the open bug for this problem:
Bug 246166
firefox 0.9.1+ thunderbird 0.6+Bugs Abound
/etc/alternatives/www-browser so I had to
handler to the /usr/local/bin/firefox(ignored
for url passing).
user_pref("network.protocol-handler.app.http", "/usr/local/bin/firefox");
# /usr/local/bin/firefox
then /usr/local/firefox/run-mozilla.sh /usr/local/firefox/firefox &
else
/usr/local/firefox/mozilla-xremote-client -a firefox \
"openURL( $1, new-tab )" \ # new-tab
&& exit 0 \
|| /usr/local/firefox/firefox $1 & # new-window
fi
It uses xft, which as far as I know doesn't exist on RH9 or earlier. The built-in fonts are wretched. They don't have any GTK-1 or i586 builds, either; the latter means that none of my dual-boot systems will work.Don't even think about it on an old system
xft is present and works fine on RH9. RH8 and earlier are out of luck, though.
Don't even think about it on an old system
I posted a query about this on mozillazine but the long and short of it is that I am also holding onto my 0.8 :-("Manage Certificates" and other woes
- the "Lock" icon (bottom left) when on a secure site
- clicking "View" ("View the security certificate that verifies this web site's identity")
Mozilla is not free in the Debian sense: Mozilla Firefox 0.9 released
http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2004/06/msg00221.html
There are numerous problems with the license.