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The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

By Jonathan Corbet
September 13, 2010
Your editor, being the grumpy, older sort that he is, must confess that he has never quite understood the allure of services like Twitter. 140-Character broadcasts look an awful lot like a combination of the worst features of cellular short messaging and Usenet; it's conversation via bumper sticker. A local disaster recently pushed your editor to spend more time on the site; what follows are some observations, somewhat tenuously tied to the world of free software.

While grumpily working through the US Labor Day "holiday," your editor noticed that the sky, as seen through the basement window, had turned a rather sickly shade of orange; the smell of smoke followed shortly thereafter. Drawn away from the keyboard for a quick look, your editor could not miss the fact that a large fire was burning in the hills to the west. While Colorado does not do forest fires on the scale of places like California (actually, we don't do anything on a Californian scale), wildfires are still a serious threat. When the sky fills with smoke, it's natural to want to know what's going on.

[Fire] What was going on is now known as the "Fourmile fire"; it burned something like 6600 acres (2600 hectares) of heavily-populated foothills and destroyed over 160 homes. Definitely worth knowing about.

Unsurprisingly, the local newspaper's web site was not particularly illuminating. Neither were the television stations. In these situations, TV can be counted on to show impressive videos of slurry bomber runs and burning houses in the evening, while the newspaper provides still photos from the same videos the next morning. The local community radio station was a bit more helpful, but, when disaster strikes in one's neighborhood, it's hard to have too much information. In desperation, your editor went to Twitter and typed in "boulder fire."

The results were interesting; the Twitterati were already well engaged in conversation about this emergency. People were reporting their observations and posting pictures from various locations. Evacuation orders were being relayed through the site; given that the local "reverse-911" phone notification mechanism failed outright, it's possible that some people learned of the need to flee their houses via Twitter. A local journalism professor was listening to police and fire radio traffic and posting the interesting parts. Information on evacuation centers and shelters for large animals (horses, for example) was broadcast. The destruction of a fire truck was reported. All within the first hour or so.

In other words, Twitter was carrying a great deal of useful information which was available nowhere else. It was enough to keep your editor hitting that "NNN more tweets since you started searching" link over and over again.

That said, this information was not as easy to get at as one might like. The signal-to-noise ratio was quite low for a number of reasons, the first of which appears to be an artifact of how "routing" is handled in the Twitter environment. The "follower" relationships lead to a strange topology made of vast numbers of one-way links; one can only broadcast a message to those who have created inbound links. So Twitter appears to have reinvented the old Usenet flood routing mechanism, but without the "I've already seen this" feature. This mechanism, called "retweeting," comes down to people continually rebroadcasting anything that they found interesting.

The result is a huge amount of duplicated content, perhaps with a trivial comment tacked on to the end. After a message has gone by 100 or more times (literally), it just isn't quite as interesting as it was the first time. But everybody somehow still feels the need to retweet it for the benefit of those people who hadn't yet caught on to the #boulderfire hash tag. This process goes on for a very long time; messages which were only relevant to the early stages of the fire were still circulating days later.

Beyond that, much of what was posted was not particularly useful. Quite a few people felt the need to get into the limelight with "that #boulderfire sure sucks" posts. Local construction companies wanted to be sure we all knew that they are available for the rebuilding of destroyed houses. We were all encouraged to send texts to various numbers to donate money which, they promised, would go to fire victims. Local TV stations assured everybody that they had the best slurry bomber videos. There was also a significant traffic in posts about how all this demonstrated "the power of Twitter."

A community of this size - even this sort of temporary community - must necessarily contain at least one troll and at least one nutcase; it's written in the laws of physics somewhere. The #boulderfire "channel" did not disappoint on this score, though many of the participants were quaintly surprised by the presence of these people. The troll was shouted down with impressive efficiency. The nutcase, seemingly representing a local "news" outlet, was able to sustain a regular stream of posts about discoveries of charred bodies (there were actually no serious injuries) and said news outlet's refusal to bow down to the "Twitter police."

Need it be said that all of this stuff was mercilessly retweeted dozens of times?

In summary, maybe one message in 50 was both original and interesting. That reduces the value of the channel considerably. For added fun, the journalism professor was blocked as a spammer, while the actual spam continued, seemingly unimpeded.

Identi.ca is meant to be a free-software-friendly alternative to Twitter. Naturally, your editor had to wander over there to take a look. The good news is that the massive "retweet" traffic was absent; the bad news is that most of the useful traffic was absent as well. Information was sparse at best, and, in general, it seemed more heavily spam-laden than what was found on Twitter; one gets the sense that there is a budding industry in setting up pages allegedly related to breaking news and posting links to social networking sites. In summary: identi.ca was not a useful resource for anybody who wanted to learn about why they were breathing smoke thick enough to obscure the view of the monitor from the desk chair.

One might argue that it is a matter of network effects; people post to Twitter because that's where the readers are. Your editor would respond that this situation is unsurprising: identi.ca looks an awful lot like a taillight-following exercise. It may serve as a useful demonstration platform for StatusNet, but it offers no real reason for Twitter users to switch. "Source available" is not a compelling feature for most of these users, and identi.ca lacks anything else which is sufficiently shiny to motivate them to change. In this setting, at least, identi.ca was not able to offer a competitive service.

That said, your editor is still not a Twitter user. The fire is mostly controlled, so attention has returned to less noisy information sources - linux-kernel, for example. The value of Twitter is a little more clear, but what is really clear is this: there must be room to do broadcast messaging in much better ways. High-quality information about unfolding local disasters may be a bit of a limited use case - though it's one most of us are likely to want at some point in our lives - but the simple "what's going on?" question is more broadly applicable. If we, the free software community, could come up with a messaging platform which was less noisy, less subject to manipulation, not centrally controlled, and more efficient in getting news to all interested listeners, we would have something worth tweeting about.


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The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 13, 2010 23:50 UTC (Mon) by iabervon (subscriber, #722) [Link]

One thing that's worth noting is that Twitter has a published API, and the general consensus I've seen is that Twitter's website is actually the worst available software for using Twitter's service.

If you consider that Twitter's service is something that is hard to take from source to a working version, it might make more sense to treat it like hardware; we don't expect everyone to assemble their own graphics card from schematics, we try to write drivers that everyone can use to interface with assembled units that some company sells. Correspondingly, you could look at available open source software for getting data from Twitter. I suspect that you could find something at least as much better than http://twitter.com/ as a good newsreader is better than groups.google.com.

identica's useful for Free Software community folks

Posted Sep 13, 2010 23:50 UTC (Mon) by bkuhn (subscriber, #58642) [Link] (6 responses)

As a heavy identi.ca user, I admit your criticism of it is probably accurate, but you skip one thing that I believe is true: if you want to be involved with microblogging primarily with people from the Free Software and Open Source world, identi.ca has some very useful and complex discussion about important FLOSS issues.

identica's useful for Free Software community folks

Posted Sep 13, 2010 23:59 UTC (Mon) by corbet (editor, #1) [Link] (2 responses)

I was probably too harsh on identi.ca; I really was looking at things based on a very specific application. Clearly there's a lot more to be done with a service like this than talking about whose house is burning down.

identica's useful for Free Software community folks

Posted Sep 14, 2010 1:16 UTC (Tue) by Trelane (subscriber, #56877) [Link] (1 responses)

Meh, the criticism seems threefold:
1) spammers are more prevalent. This is *perhaps* true as a percentage of users. This is very worthy of discussion.
2) There aren't enough users (perhaps in the Boulder, CO, USA area) to get the information you were looking for.
3) identi.ca is chasing twitter's taillights.

The first point is very worthy of discussion; I've noticed this myself.

The second point is a natural consequence of the capitalism instability applied to users on web services. The more users you have, the more users you get, and so on. (in capitalism, it's money instead of users).

The third point is difficult. Clearly, twitter was leading identi.ca when identi.ca was first launched (see Miguel's sole Identi.ca posts).

At this point, however, I think twitter's sole advantage is inertia (the captitalism instability). Identi.ca has features that twitter doesn't (e.g. groups, private servers) and few that Identi.ca doesn't (the only one I can think of is lists, and I'm not sure what value that brings. Identi.ca was first with location services.

So the third point is not clear-cut. The second point is clear; identi.ca isn't nearly as big as twitter and that'll necessarily limit what information is available solely on that site (note, however, that it provides some degree of facebook and twitter integration, although I think it's unidirectional broadcast at this point, but it could be bidirectional).

identica's useful for Free Software community folks

Posted Sep 29, 2010 21:48 UTC (Wed) by landley (guest, #6789) [Link]

I've never heard the phrase "capitalism instability" before, but you seem to be describing network effects:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_effect

identica's useful for Free Software community folks

Posted Sep 14, 2010 16:39 UTC (Tue) by FlorianMueller (guest, #32048) [Link] (2 responses)

I tried to follow you but the problem is that @bkuhn on Twitter is someone else (and I use Twitter). By following the other bkuhn, I do get to see messages my contacts address to you, but it doesn't really make sense to follow an unrelated person just for that reason, so I unfollowed him. Too bad the identi.ca/Twitter connection doesn't prevent duplicate user IDs...

identica's useful for Free Software community folks

Posted Sep 15, 2010 15:40 UTC (Wed) by bkuhn (subscriber, #58642) [Link] (1 responses)

> Too bad the identi.ca/Twitter connection doesn't prevent duplicate user IDs...
The blame for this issue is 100% Twitter's fault. Twitter refuses to adhere to the Open Microblogging Protocol and therefore there is this username class. @bkuhn on Twitter is quite annoyed about this too, he's emailed me to complain. I've also explained to him that it's completely Twitter's fault and that he should complain to Twitter that they are refusing to collaborate with Open and Free communities. I'm sure the VC-backed Twitter won't care in the least. It's yet another reason why I boycott them.

identica's useful for Free Software community folks

Posted Sep 29, 2010 21:58 UTC (Wed) by landley (guest, #6789) [Link]

So twitter invented microblogging, somebody else came along later and copied them and declared their copy a "standard", twitter didn't notice, and this is somehow reprehensible.

I'm not following the logic here. I think identica would have to pass Facebook just to get their _attention_...

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 13, 2010 23:59 UTC (Mon) by marduk (subscriber, #3831) [Link] (5 responses)

I have yet to use Twitter, but...

I wanted to share an experience which is dissimilar really but did remind me of your story. I recently acquired an Android phone. I don't have Twitter on it but I do have an app called "Scanner Radio". Scanner Radio is basically a cross between your old fashioned police/fire scanner and Internet radio. It allows you to listen in on police/fire radio, but from many more places than your analog antenna will allow.

Two of the more interesting features of the Android app are: each channel has it's own chat room where you can chat with others who are listening in on the same "frequency". The other interesting feature is that if/when an "unusually large" amount of people are listening on a certain channel, the app can notify you that something "interesting" may be going on.

I used to live in the Dallas, Texas area. A few weeks ago I was online chatting with a friend who still lives in that area. In the midst of our chatting my phone vibrated. I got a notification from Scanner Radio that a lot of people were listening to the Mckinney, TX feed. McKinney is in the Dallas area so I asked my friend "What's going on in Mckinney? Well my friend had no idea and it was nowhere on the news yet, so I decided to tune into the police channel for McKinney. Admittedly I couldn't tell exactly what was going on but I knew it was something more than a traffic stop. I joined the chat room for the Mckinney channel and picked up more information. There was a shooting near a community college there. Almost an hour later it was on CNN.

In my experience, that chat rooms are sometimes a little "noisy" where irrelevant chatter is being made, but I've yet to experience "spam" in the chat rooms. While there may be some noise it hasn't been much as far as quantity in my experience. Most of the people in the rooms tend to live in that particular area, so can chat with people who are close to the source of the event.

Anyway I also first heard about the Colorado fires through Scanner Radio. So it might be worth a try for someone who is looking for that kind of timely info but not happy with Twitter as a medium.

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 14, 2010 1:01 UTC (Tue) by Trelane (subscriber, #56877) [Link] (4 responses)

140-Character broadcasts look an awful lot like a combination of the worst features of cellular short messaging and Usenet; it's conversation via bumper sticker
By all rights, this must be a Quote of the Week.

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 14, 2010 3:31 UTC (Tue) by ncm (guest, #165) [Link] (1 responses)

Bumper sticker: "Quit Honking, I'm On The Phone". Two obsolete communication media referenced in a third. Texting and Twitter are obsolete too. I wonder when we'll get something that's not.

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 14, 2010 3:55 UTC (Tue) by dlang (guest, #313) [Link]

does it really matter? by the time there are many people using it, it will be obsolete too.

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 17, 2010 10:12 UTC (Fri) by wookey (guest, #5501) [Link]

I'm glad it's not just me. I looked at twitter once and was astonished to see how crappy it was, given the buzz. It seems like a really primitive version of IRC without proper channels and extremely short messages. Amazing what gets popular. I guess jon's article gives some idea of why people do find it useful.

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Oct 12, 2010 20:38 UTC (Tue) by faried (subscriber, #42641) [Link]

A pity it's too long to be tweeted!

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 14, 2010 0:03 UTC (Tue) by kragil (guest, #34373) [Link]

Well, if everything goes according to plan then Diaspora will release its code tomorrow and as we all know it will be:
"The privacy aware, personally controlled, do-it-all, open source social network."(tm)

The "do-it-all"-part should do what you are asking for.

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 14, 2010 0:25 UTC (Tue) by dskoll (subscriber, #1630) [Link] (4 responses)

I don't use twitter because nothing intelligent can be written in 140 characters. (Hmm, pipe this post through wc -c and see what happens.)

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 14, 2010 10:22 UTC (Tue) by epa (subscriber, #39769) [Link] (1 responses)

I don't use twitter because nothing intelligent can be written in 140 characters.
Why not compress messages with a Huffman code of word frequency (140 chars is too short for gzip to work, but if you have a separate table of English word frequency you could do something) and then base64 encode?

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 14, 2010 10:57 UTC (Tue) by Trou.fr (subscriber, #26289) [Link]

http://blog.ksplice.com/2010/04/1st-international-longest...

"How much information is in a tweet?" The result: about 4,370 bits.

Some cool tricks involved :)

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 15, 2010 14:55 UTC (Wed) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

The post is intelligent, thus self-disproving, thus wrong, thus cannot be intelligent because no intelligent person would write something 140 characters yet wrong. Thus it is a 140-character paradox. This is, of course, an intelligent thing to post.

(My head is spinning.)

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 20, 2010 4:52 UTC (Mon) by jtc (guest, #6246) [Link]

echo "I don't use twitter because nothing intelligent can be written in 140 characters. (Hmm, pipe this post through wc -c and see what happens.)"|wc
1 24 140

Thank you for the morning chuckle!

Posted Sep 14, 2010 0:43 UTC (Tue) by bojan (subscriber, #14302) [Link] (1 responses)

> For added fun, the journalism professor was blocked as a spammer, while the actual spam continued, seemingly unimpeded.

Priceless, thank you!

I don't know whether I'm too old or what, but Twitter to me appears like (mostly) a collection of useless text posted by people that have way too much time on their hands. Why would someone want to notify anyone about every little boring detail of their day? I just don't get it...

Thank you for the morning chuckle!

Posted Sep 14, 2010 11:16 UTC (Tue) by bboissin (subscriber, #29506) [Link]

To me there are different philosophy of using twitter. Indeed some people use it to broadcast their everyday life. But there is also a large number of people using it as an information broadcaster.

The people I follow are usually experts on some topics I'm interested in and I use them as filter to get word of lots of information which could have a hard time to reach me otherwise.

I myself do the same, when I find out some interesting information which corresponds to the topics I usually talk about, then I broadcast it. That way my discoveries (small and on some very focused topics) ended twice in the website of one of the biggest french newspaper (lemonde.fr). How it ended there is because a journalist of a smaller website follows me, he read it, and published an article. This article was then used as a source for lemonde.fr

The other point of twitter is conversation. It is much more horizontal than in the real world (maybe because unlike email people feel less obligated to reply, so in return they reply more). With twitter, I have been able to exchange with some people I wouldn't be able to otherwise (I don't live in a big city, those people aren't from my social circle, but we share some common interests).

Twitter has its uses

Posted Sep 14, 2010 0:56 UTC (Tue) by felixfix (subscriber, #242) [Link]

I live on a dirt road in the mountains. There are two (was three) other full time residents, plus a few part timers. I have thought of setting up a twitter account just for us, to report winter driving conditions. We have all had the experience of being away from home when a storm comes in, and we call each other to find out who knows how deep the snow is, whether we should plan on snowshoeing in or put on the chains or what. Twitter would be fine for this, very low traffic. 140 chars would be far more than necessary.

I follow some gun rights forums which occasionally tweet developments, usually one or two a week at busy times. Again, twitter is just fine, a simple way to broadcast interesting news.

I signed up to follow a Linode account, but it is disappointing, mostly being links to fresh HOWTOs. Not many, one or two a day, but I'd rather sign up for just "network down" kind of tweets and skip the non-urgent stuff.

What makes it useful is not having idle chitchat on them, just tidbits of timely info. Maybe some day I will set up the dirt road account, but I'd have to get the other residents to sign up with twitter :-)

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 14, 2010 1:16 UTC (Tue) by joey (guest, #328) [Link] (5 responses)

If I were in your position, I think I'd have went to ham radio and probably a police scanner first. I know the ham community is pretty serious about helping with disaster response, and it should be high SNR. Good reason to make sure hardware to at least receive that stuff is handy.

To follow a recent disaster involving massive quantities of oil, what I found worked best was a IRC channel loosely connected to a blog on the topic. With a few thousand people on such a channel, the info can be pretty good (like, play-by-play discussion of what each of a dozen undersea robots is doing) while the noise is not as horrific as a fad that every celebrity and anyone who cares about every celebrity, or wants to be one, is busy blabbering on.
With the addition of a collaboratively written blog or wiki, you don't have to be on the channel 24/7 to keep well-informed. This blew all the mainstream coverage out of the er, water.

And yeah, identi.ca if it has to do with free software, again a smaller community with a better SNR.

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 14, 2010 1:31 UTC (Tue) by Trelane (subscriber, #56877) [Link] (4 responses)

If I were in your position, I think I'd have went to ham radio and probably a police scanner first. I know the ham community is pretty serious about helping with disaster response, and it should be high SNR. Good reason to make sure hardware to at least receive that stuff is handy.

Good advice. What happens in my experience (from a weather net) is that the ARES net is called on a local repeaters. Once that happens, things are very ordered. Net control controls who can talk, although if there's an immediate danger of life or property happening and there's no other way to get the message out quickly (they (and you) can even transmit on unauthorized frequencies and modes, but it'd better be a very very clear-cut case of life or property being in immediate danger and there being *no* other way to get the news out), they can talk out of turn. If there's a sufficient lull, net control can let anyone report in their sightings as they see it, but if things get to going too quickly, they'll restructure it. If you listen in, you'll hear status reports from the local authorities (often, they're hams or connected with the ham community, and net control or designated message passers will pass the news.

When the tornado came through south of town here, I was quite well informed about what was going on where, since I was in the weather net.

They can also carry traffic between hams over distance, so it also is good if you need to get a message out; find a ham and have them forward the message (as long as it's domestic; things get more complicated if the hams need to pass the message internationally (generally, the answer is "no, you can't." iirc). It's not done as much anymore with cell phones and pervasive internet, but it's an option.

It's also completely legal to listen in to ham (or any) frequencies; it is only illegal to transmit without having an appropriate license for the frequency you're transmitting on (and the mode potentially, e.g. spread-spectrum methods).

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 14, 2010 2:55 UTC (Tue) by foom (subscriber, #14868) [Link] (1 responses)

> It's also completely legal to listen in to ham (or any) frequencies

Well, in the US, it's illegal to listen to (or manufacture equipment which can be used to listen to, or which can be easily modified to allow listening to) cellphone frequencies. Of course, that law was passed back when cellphones used unencrypted analog transmission and were easily listenable. Usually that means approx 816-902MHz are blocked.

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 14, 2010 5:00 UTC (Tue) by Trelane (subscriber, #56877) [Link]

Fair 'nuff. I think I remember hearing about this, but had forgotten.

HAM radio for disaster information

Posted Sep 16, 2010 18:23 UTC (Thu) by giraffedata (guest, #1954) [Link] (1 responses)

What does "the ARES net is called on a local repeaters" mean?

HAM radio for disaster information

Posted Sep 16, 2010 20:17 UTC (Thu) by Trelane (subscriber, #56877) [Link]

ARES: http://www.arrl.org/ares, http://www.ares.org/

A "net" is a group of hams getting together in a coordinated, formalized way to do something (e.g. chit-chat or get things done such as coordinate in an emergency or help out during a sporting event).

A repeater is a radio device that listens in on one frequency and retransmits what it hears to another frequency. There's much more complexity to it (e.g. CTSS tones to activate it, it doesn't transmit unless someone's transmitting to it, repeaters are often coordinated to prevent interference), but that's the basic idea. There are two reasons to use a repeater that I can think of offhand. One is that it almost always has more power (being fixed and therefore on AC power, it is limited by laws and what the owner can pay, as opposed to handheld (generally transmits up to 5W) or mobile (often in a car, up to 50W) radios) and therefore can transmit further than a handheld or mobile radio. It also can be positioned such that it can reach much much further than a handheld, mobile, or even stationary radio, and as such can be used to go where other radios can't (they're on VHF or UHF frequencies, which are (almost) line-of-sight), and so they can be used to get the signal out of a valley or over a mountain, or just go further than is possible with one's own radio.

HTH!

Just a small note..

Posted Sep 14, 2010 2:04 UTC (Tue) by dw (subscriber, #12017) [Link]

They recently added a "native" retweet facility to their API, where instead of endlessly duplicating message text, some kind of behind-the-scenes aggregation occurs that results in "X is on fire! [retweeted by XXX people]".

It'll probably take 6 months for most clients to catch up though.

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 14, 2010 5:15 UTC (Tue) by jdub (guest, #27) [Link]

To improve your Twitter observer experience in the unfortunate event of another local emergency situation, I recommend adding "-RT" to your search query. That will remove both old-style retweets (with "RT" in the tweet text) and new-style retweets ("repeats" in StatusNet speak).

:-)

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 14, 2010 5:24 UTC (Tue) by ewen (subscriber, #4772) [Link] (4 responses)

140-Character broadcasts look an awful lot like a combination of the worst features of cellular short messaging and Usenet

(As a non-Twitter user) I've long considered Twitter to be a combination of SMS and IRC (rather than Usenet). People seem to use it as an IRC replacement (often without ever having seen IRC; "those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"). The "killer app" seems to be link sharing, which it manages only tolerably well due to length limitations. (It surprises me that one or more of the "link shortening" services hasn't been found to be Man-in-the-Middling large numbers of users.) Like IRC it copes fairly well with "temporary community" due to the extremely ad-hoc means of creating a new community (hashtag, in both cases). (The irony for me is that there've been multiple "broadcast" based message services over the last 25 years, including Usenet and IRC, and they seem to keep being reinvented in a centralised fashion only to suffer terrible scalability problems for a while. Who knew, right?)

All that said, I too found searching on Twitter's web interface somewhat useful (to find links to photos) in a recent major event near me. It does appear to be the place the "crowd effect" is working at present.

Ewen

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 14, 2010 14:47 UTC (Tue) by zooko (guest, #2589) [Link] (3 responses)

A lot of people express strong opinions about the value of twitter/identi.ca without having seriously used it. I did too! But of course it is usually a mistake to think that I know better than other people do about something that they are doing and I am not.

Because when I eventually gave in and tried it, I found that twitter/identi.ca provides great value to me, when used in the way that I use it.

One thing that I appreciate about our grumpy editor's journalistic practices is that he doesn't opine on a subject without having first-hand experience to report.

One tip our grumpy editor might consider is to rely more on the follow button, and on reading the streams of individual twitter accounts, and less on the search feature.

I've never used twitter to follow "breaking news" (about emergencies or exciting events in the worlds of celebrities or politics, for example), but for the uses that I put twitter to, searching mostly turns up noise (to my ears).

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 14, 2010 17:49 UTC (Tue) by jpnp (guest, #63341) [Link] (1 responses)

...when used in the way that I use it. ... but for the uses that I put twitter to, searching mostly turns up noise.
Care to enlighten us on what you do find it useful for?

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 14, 2010 18:15 UTC (Tue) by zooko (guest, #2589) [Link]

I use twitter and identi.ca for learning, teaching, and interacting with a small group (between 50 and 1000 people) in a combined social+professional+technical way. You can see my activity here: http://twitter.com/zooko and http://identi.ca/zooko/all

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 15, 2010 7:56 UTC (Wed) by ludo (guest, #5052) [Link]

One tip our grumpy editor might consider is to rely more on the follow button, and on reading the streams of individual twitter accounts, and less on the search feature.

Good tip!

I found that following the right subset of twitter users provides both quick access to world news and forms a good barometer for public opinion. "Searching" provides noise, but "following" provides added value.

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 14, 2010 8:49 UTC (Tue) by snoothhound (guest, #39569) [Link]

I find that the signal to noise ratio can be considerably reduced by simply following (relatively) trusted sources, in your case the journalism professor seems a good bet.

Recently I found myself in a similar situation where my local town was the scene of a "protest" by some particularly obnoxious far-right types and naturally violence and unrest was expected. Like you I found twitter to be the best source of information, about problem areas etc. After the initial search I found it possible to determine and follow enough authoritative sources (including the local police force) to supply me with enough quality information with far less noise.

Undoubtedly there would have been information that I had missed but I felt it was a good compromise. The other advantage of this approach seemed to be that the sources deemed higher quality that engaged in re-tweeting acted as filters against the garbage re-tweets and spam.

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 14, 2010 11:02 UTC (Tue) by modernjazz (guest, #4185) [Link]

Aside from the experience with Twitter, I am glad that you and yours seem to have been unscathed by the fire.

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 14, 2010 11:28 UTC (Tue) by ernstp (guest, #13694) [Link] (3 responses)

So when do we get social media buttons on the bottom of every lwn.net page?! :-)

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 14, 2010 12:28 UTC (Tue) by maney (subscriber, #12630) [Link] (2 responses)

/me ponders...

When there's a LKM to Twitter gateway? :-)

The Grumpy Twitter's Editor experience

Posted Sep 17, 2010 12:53 UTC (Fri) by dmag (guest, #17775) [Link] (1 responses)

Only wimps use Twitter: _real_ men just put their important tweets into the Linux Kernel, and let the rest of the world mirror it.

The Grumpy Twitter's Editor experience

Posted Sep 19, 2010 12:55 UTC (Sun) by nix (subscriber, #2304) [Link]

No, they put them into random mailing list posts and watch online news sites kick up huge comment-thread flamewars about it. :)

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 14, 2010 15:39 UTC (Tue) by rilder (guest, #59804) [Link] (1 responses)

Twitter is cool when following only a few and not listening to broadcasts(in everyday life this is not required). Twitter also provides RSS of tweets of people you follow, which is nice for people who don't prefer/like the twitter clients. I have also seen a few linux developers using twitter -- gregkh , linus_torvalds(not sure if this fake or not) and then there are 2-3 unverified accounts of RMS (last person I would guess to use twitter).

As pointed before, since twitter api is simple and flexible, I use it to store stuff(bookmarks,links) in private account which can be easily synced.

Also, twitter also serves as nice excuse/platform for people who want to say something but blogging is too much of a hassle or the message is too short.

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 14, 2010 20:26 UTC (Tue) by yokem_55 (subscriber, #10498) [Link]

I believe RMS has a real feed on Identi.ca: wwww.identi.ca/rms

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 15, 2010 9:41 UTC (Wed) by trancecode (guest, #38493) [Link]

Firstly - Thanks to our Grumpy Editor for the twitter article - informative and factual as ever. Coincidentally an informative article on major improvements to the Twitter service has appeared on the BBC news sight this morning. Twitter's first revamp in four years is major overhaul

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 15, 2010 14:25 UTC (Wed) by DeLF (guest, #63323) [Link] (1 responses)

Hello Mr Corbet,

You may find this post interesting:
http://scobleizer.com/2010/09/13/reboot-rss-readers-sorry...

Which leads to: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7aiKaCi8O8

-Alex

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 23, 2010 21:49 UTC (Thu) by topher (guest, #2223) [Link]

Interesting article. I think he's pretty much completely and totally wrong on almost every bit of it, but it was still interesting. ;-)

Getting your news from RSS readers is like reading a newspaper, magazine, or even a book. You have the ability to organize and filter what's coming in, and you can choose your sources more explicitly. Additionally, there's a reasonable level of depth to the information coming in.

Getting your news from Twitter and Facebook. . . is like watching TV. You can flip channels, but you can't control what's coming in to the same extent. It's random, and it's ephemeral. If I put down my magazine, I can pick it back up a week later and continue where I left off. If I turn off the TV, whatever I was in the middle of is gone, and I may not be able to get back to it.

Personally, I'll use Facebook for social aspects, and I'll use RSS (and Google Reader) for my news, blogs, etc. As for twitter. . . a few tweaks to it, and it might have been a "good enough" option for some things. Unfortunately, 140 characters pisses me off to no end, and the content is just too shallow. In order to get even the slightest depth, you have to link out to a different, less limited alternative.

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 16, 2010 10:24 UTC (Thu) by rakoenig (subscriber, #29855) [Link]

I started using twitter some 3 months ago after reading the book from Tim O'Reilly about twitter. In the beginning I also thought how useful a media can be by limiting your messages to 140 characters. Then I found interesting accounts to follow e.g. the local train station that twitters departure times and delays or e.g. I follow Tim O'Reilly and noticing about the eBook of the day made me save a lot of money in the last months when buying eBooks.
I also get reminded about local activities like the weekly market or events that are scheduled for the weekend. I can even get support for my mobile phone from the telephone provider or from BlackberryHelp. So twitter became really useful in this period. And of course I also follow lwnnet. :-)

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 16, 2010 16:26 UTC (Thu) by jimparis (guest, #38647) [Link]

The worst part is trying to follow conversations.
Picking a random link from earlier in these comments to try to gauge how someone is using twitter, we see this: http://twitter.com/zooko/status/24610291148
It takes at four clicks on (unmarked, small, gray!) links to get to an obscured shortened URL which points to a story that could have almost fit into 140 characters by itself.

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 17, 2010 17:15 UTC (Fri) by dwayne (subscriber, #17004) [Link]

>If we, the free software community, could come up with a messaging
>platform which was less noisy, less subject to manipulation, not centrally
>controlled, and more efficient in getting news to all interested >listeners, we would have something worth tweeting about.
IMO we already have that in Usenet. I know its full of spam and trolls, but the tools for filtering that are already available. And by having local grids of nntp-servers with a hierarchy of local groups one can have a multitude of information about "whats going on" in his area.

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 23, 2010 18:10 UTC (Thu) by moofar (guest, #70283) [Link]

A subreddit sounds like a good platform. reddit.com Also it is open source

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 26, 2010 12:49 UTC (Sun) by raudette (guest, #70317) [Link]

Although it's not an alternative to micro-message broadcasting or twitter, http://www.openfile.ca/ has an interesting take on local news. Readers pitch stories to the site, and the sites editors review submissions and send journalists to investigate & write up articles.

The Grumpy Editor's Twitter experience

Posted Sep 27, 2010 1:35 UTC (Mon) by BaristaUno (guest, #70322) [Link]

After a fortnight of tweeting, this Twitter neophyte is just about fed up with the avalanche of uninformative or inane tweets and re-tweets. Your article has brought me nearer to the brink of dumping the whole darn thing.


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