Illumos launched as OpenSolaris derivative (The H)
Illumos is endorsed and supported by Nexenta, Joyent, Greenviolet, Belenix, Schillix, Berlios and Everycity in its efforts to create a freely available SunOS derivative. [Garrett] D'Amore emphasises that Illumos is not a fork, but the work being done will empower the community to fork if needed in the future. He believes the project already has the critical mass necessary to sustain the engineering effort needed."
Posted Aug 3, 2010 20:31 UTC (Tue)
by danieldk (subscriber, #27876)
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(Yes, I do know Nexenta ;))
Posted Aug 3, 2010 21:38 UTC (Tue)
by xnox (guest, #63320)
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Posted Aug 3, 2010 22:41 UTC (Tue)
by ballombe (subscriber, #9523)
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Posted Aug 3, 2010 23:25 UTC (Tue)
by dlang (guest, #313)
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the linux kernel drivers require the linux kernel.
you can't run both for one system (you can run one in a virtual machine, but at that point you are also suffering any drawbacks of both systems, plus the overhead of virtualization)
Posted Aug 4, 2010 0:02 UTC (Wed)
by xorbe (guest, #3165)
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Posted Aug 10, 2010 15:34 UTC (Tue)
by Cato (guest, #7643)
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Given the unreliability of hard disks and other PC components (recently had a a big hardware failure on one PC), it's tempting to build a Debian/kFreeBSD NAS to use ZFS for its block-level checksums and media scrubbing while I'm waiting for btrfs to mature.
Curious to hear experiences of Debian/kFreeBSD and particularly ZFS...
Posted Aug 4, 2010 5:11 UTC (Wed)
by pabs (subscriber, #43278)
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http://csclub.uwaterloo.ca/~dtbartle/opensolaris/
I note that Nexenta are presenting at DebConf10 in NYC and state they are interested in becoming an official Debian port, it will be interesting to hear if they have gone the glibc route in order to be able to do so.
http://penta.debconf.org/dc10_schedule/events/643.en.html
In other Debian port news, Jaldhar Vyas has been working on his Debian GNU/Minix port (aka Preventa) during DebCamp/DebConf.
Posted Aug 4, 2010 6:24 UTC (Wed)
by danieldk (subscriber, #27876)
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Posted Aug 4, 2010 9:31 UTC (Wed)
by jwakely (subscriber, #60262)
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Do you mean you wish there was a legal way to distribute such a mix?
If I ported ZFS & DTrace to Linux, or ported the Linux drivers to the Solaris kernel, I don't see why I couldn't run it, as long as I didn't share the code with you.
Posted Aug 4, 2010 13:31 UTC (Wed)
by trasz (guest, #45786)
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Posted Aug 4, 2010 20:13 UTC (Wed)
by vonbrand (subscriber, #4458)
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The big difference is that CXFS is SGI's own stuff, with which they can do as they please. There are not many details at SGI's CXFS site, presumably via a kernel module. The Solaris stuff OTOH is under a license that makes integration with GPL stufff (i.e., Linux) impossible.
Posted Aug 5, 2010 8:00 UTC (Thu)
by trasz (guest, #45786)
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Posted Aug 5, 2010 6:16 UTC (Thu)
by shmerl (guest, #65921)
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See:
Posted Aug 5, 2010 6:39 UTC (Thu)
by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)
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Posted Aug 12, 2010 3:08 UTC (Thu)
by shmerl (guest, #65921)
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Sure, I didn't say that ZFS is already usable under Linux. Just answered that there is a legal way to use it technically. The port itself is still under development.
Posted Aug 3, 2010 22:23 UTC (Tue)
by cesarb (subscriber, #6266)
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Posted Aug 4, 2010 5:04 UTC (Wed)
by haydn (guest, #69224)
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Posted Aug 4, 2010 5:12 UTC (Wed)
by drag (guest, #31333)
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I just don't think that Oracle really gives a damn about OpenSolaris or even Solaris, that's why they are not putting much effort into it. They are supporting other technologies they got from Sun.... like Lustre they have been putting more 'community face time' into that then they are into OpenSolaris.
Just be happy that Sun managed to open source all the nice stuff before Oracle got their hands on it.
Posted Aug 4, 2010 6:04 UTC (Wed)
by mikov (guest, #33179)
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Posted Aug 4, 2010 6:26 UTC (Wed)
by rahulsundaram (subscriber, #21946)
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Posted Aug 4, 2010 7:21 UTC (Wed)
by ringerc (subscriber, #3071)
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Java 1.6 will remain free. There's nothing they can do about that even if they want to, as it's dual-licensed under the GPL and CDDL. They can stop distributing it, but not stop others from distributing it.
There are some semi-core JARs that are under non-free licenses, like the JavaMail API and JPA API JARs. They're free enough that I don't think Oracle can block their distrubution, though, and I don't think anything would stop them being rewritten (quite easily) using the specification documents for those APIs.
<rant subject="java">
IMO, the biggest problem with Java isn't Oracle. It's Sun having gone totally off the rails with the language. Lambdas and true closures (for Java 7) are great, sure ... but in a language that lacks any kind of built-in properties and forces you to hand-write accessors ("getters and setters") they seem kind of the wrong thing to prioritize. One gets sick of hand-writing accessors and adding PropertyChangeSupport very, very quickly. Then there are the debacles of annotations and generics in Java 5, both of which would've been great if they weren't hobbled by (IMO over-strict) backward compatibility requirements. They were built by small, underfunded teams on rushed deadlines who weren't willing/able to accept external help, which caused them to be thrown out the door before they were really done, too.
I quite like the core Java language and the VM, but it's not going in a good direction, it's hobbled by backward compatibility requirements, and the fragmentation above the language level is horrifying. JSF/Wicket/Tapestry/Struts/.... web frameworks, TopLink Essentials/Hibernate/EclipseLink/JPA-API .... ORMs, etc. It's often really painful to figure out what's suitable for a project, and most of the tools half-solve a problem while creating more. The way most people seem to try to "fix" that is bolt another layer on top, another abstraction with its own problems, rather than fix the original framework or tool. "Enterprise" Java is a scary, ugly place that seems to exist to keep mediocre programmers in jobs.
I am a mediocre programmer myself, but I like to actually get productive code written rather than write the tools to build the data-transfer-objects to talk to the facade to access the data access layer to interface with the ORM to generate the queries to actually talk to the frickin' database. Argh!
</rant>
Posted Aug 4, 2010 14:56 UTC (Wed)
by jonabbey (guest, #2736)
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There are now some very good languages targeting the JVM, with full access to the enormous, portable Java libraries that are out there.
Posted Aug 5, 2010 0:55 UTC (Thu)
by mikov (guest, #33179)
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This came up in a discussion in RWT. One poster presented very good arguments about why Sun's releasing of Java under GPL is not as great as it seems because Sun can _at any time_ retroactively change the license, thus closing the source again, making distribution illegal, rendering all derived work created under the GPL illegal too.
Sounds almost like FUD, but check out this explanation by a lawyer, especially the section "Why contracts are better than licences": http://www.ilaw.com.au/public/licencearticle.html
To quote from the article: "In the context of software licensing, this means that there is nothing that can be done to stop the licensor from changing the licence conditions, including makinq them non-free or withdrawing the software altogether. It doesn't matter if an open source licence claims to be irrevocable. Because the licence hasn't been paid for, it isn't."
This is all seriously f*cked up.
There is some more relevant information in this Wired article: http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,35258,00.html (on the second page).
Namely two things:
The law requires "a written instrument signed by the owner of the rights licensed." So, if you release something under GPL, but you haven't signed a legal document with pen and paper, it is not really valid ??
And here: http://www.law.umn.edu/uploads/images/830/McGowanD-SCOssr...
From David McGowan, Professor of Law, University of Minnesota Law School.
Quoting a little: "Termination of rights
[...] The most plausible assumption is that a developer who releases code under the GPL may terminate GPL rights, probably at will.
[...] My point is not that termination is a great risk, it is that it is not recognized as a risk even though it is probably relevant to commercial end-users, accustomed to having contractual rights they can enforce themselves.
The Free Software Foundations GPL FAQ disagrees with the conclusion I reach here. The FAQ asks rhetorically can a developer of a program who distributed it under the GPL later license it to another party for exclusive use and answers No, because the public already has the right to use the program under the GPL, and this right cannot be withdrawn. 89 Similarly, Lawrence Rosen, general counsel to the Open Source Initiative, has stated (in an FAQ on the SCO/IBM case) that Linux is available free, forever. Neither statement addresses the issue I raise here; I am not aware of the legal basis for either statement. I read them as understandable efforts to keep community members from over-reacting to low-probability risks. That may be sensible real-world pragmatism, a question I leave to the entrepreneurs. As a strictly legal matter, however, these comforting statements are too strong.[...]
What would happen if an author terminated GPL rights? If a single rights-holder held all the rights in the program, then termination would stop future F/OSS development of that program; users would no longer have the right to distribute modified versions of the code, or even unmodified copies of the versions they had."
--end quote--
Botom line: if for example Microsoft bought Sun in a hostile takeover Free Java would be dead. Similarly, if Oracle bought MySQL AB. Or if somebody bought Trolltech. Or if Linus Torvalds died and who ever inherited the copyright to his parts of the Linux kernel didn't care about free software.
Posted Aug 5, 2010 3:09 UTC (Thu)
by foom (subscriber, #14868)
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I have little doubt that if someone actually did try to revoke a GPL license and sue for copyright violation it would end up being quite a prolonged battle. Probably literally everybody involved with Free Software would line up to help defend *that*!
Posted Aug 5, 2010 5:01 UTC (Thu)
by mikov (guest, #33179)
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I have talked to a "real lawyer" about this and he plainly admitted that he didn't know (of course I couldn't pay him to research it at $500/hr, so it was just "talk"), but he did not think that the linked information was obvious garbage.
I fear that the only way to really test it is in court.
It is ironic that one of the "worse case" scenario that I wrote about in 2006 has come to pass - Oracle does own MySQL AB... But the end of the world didn't come. Fortunately Oracle doesn't seem to plan to test these legal theories.
Posted Aug 5, 2010 5:11 UTC (Thu)
by butlerm (subscriber, #13312)
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In the case of a license to cross physical property, a license can become irrevocable or an "easement by estoppel" if the licensee(s) spend considerable resources in reliance on that promise and the licensor has a reasonable expectation that reliance will occur. There other types of implied easements that may apply too, notably "easement by prior use".
The arguments for continued use of intellectual property in a case like this should be analogous. If anything, they should be stronger than the arguments for the right to continued use of physical property, due to little or no ongoing burden on the licensors.
Posted Aug 6, 2010 23:05 UTC (Fri)
by Wol (subscriber, #4433)
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In other words, a lot of people HAVE PAID, IN TERMS EXPLICITY WRITTEN INTO THE COPYRIGHT LAW, for the GPL code they have taken and used.
Any argument, therefore, that the code hasn't been paid for will fail on the black letter of the copyright statute.
Cheers,
Posted Aug 5, 2010 15:52 UTC (Thu)
by cmccabe (guest, #60281)
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But this is another good reason not to have a single copyright holder. Copyright assignment is bad...
Posted Aug 5, 2010 18:48 UTC (Thu)
by dmag (guest, #17775)
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Ditto for the GPL. If I put Microsoft's code under the GPL, it certainly will be revoked.
But the estoppel argument is quite a powerful one. Putting code under the GPL is similar to putting up a sign that says "free firewood". If it wasn't yours to give away, a court might be able to force people to give it back. But if it *was* yours to give away, no court will help you if you try to get it back.
Posted Aug 4, 2010 8:00 UTC (Wed)
by trasz (guest, #45786)
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Posted Aug 4, 2010 8:25 UTC (Wed)
by nim-nim (subscriber, #34454)
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Others know very well they need Linux to achieve their profit objectives. (I'm sure IBM does a nice profit on Windows systems too).
Oracle is much too profit-oriented to wander around changing roadmaps every year and dropping product lines that earn hard money in the pursuit of phantomatic schemes like Solaris everywhere.
In case you haven't noticed, all the manufacturers that wished to renew their Solaris x86 agreement had to sign up on Oracle Unbreakable Linux too.
Posted Aug 4, 2010 8:33 UTC (Wed)
by trasz (guest, #45786)
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Posted Aug 4, 2010 12:17 UTC (Wed)
by nim-nim (subscriber, #34454)
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Not that Oracle would not *love* selling overpriced hardware to people who think like this, but in the real world, I've wasted an hour yesterday trying to explain someone tasked with writing Oracle filesystem requirements there was *nothing* to do under RHEL 5.x (Oracle merged all it needed upstream ages ago, and is even dropping support for raw devices nowadays since Linux filesystems just work for them).
Because AIX/Solaris/VxFS all required magic filesystem parameters, he would not take nothing for an answer.
Posted Aug 4, 2010 13:11 UTC (Wed)
by trasz (guest, #45786)
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Posted Aug 4, 2010 16:04 UTC (Wed)
by tzafrir (subscriber, #11501)
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IBM does not seem to have a problem investing its code in Linux.
Posted Aug 4, 2010 16:59 UTC (Wed)
by chad.netzer (subscriber, #4257)
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If you mean have ultimate control, that's another matter. And its not clear that's what Oracle wants or needs at the OS level (it's a heavy burden.)
Posted Aug 4, 2010 22:46 UTC (Wed)
by Doogie (guest, #59626)
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As usual you are hilariously ignorant. IBM has been selling Solaris systems for years, and still does.
Posted Aug 5, 2010 21:11 UTC (Thu)
by trasz (guest, #45786)
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Posted Aug 5, 2010 21:15 UTC (Thu)
by trasz (guest, #45786)
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Posted Aug 11, 2010 7:16 UTC (Wed)
by job (guest, #670)
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Posted Aug 4, 2010 12:40 UTC (Wed)
by clump (subscriber, #27801)
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It isn't entirely clear to me what Oracle wants to message with Solaris. Larry Ellison has in the past spoken lovingly about Linux, but after the purchase of Sun, he's now changed his tune -- despite his own RHEL fork.
Announcements like Illumos are the best news possible for Solaris. People are taking the code into their own hands and not waiting for corporate sponsors. I would have thought that the decline of Solaris would have been a boon for FreeBSD development. Perhaps you could comment on that?
Posted Aug 4, 2010 13:26 UTC (Wed)
by trasz (guest, #45786)
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Ellison "spoken lovingly" about Linux, because everyone except Ballmer did it - IBM did it, and even Sun did. Also, Ellison didn't really have a choice then - Oracle didn't have their own platform.
As for FreeBSD - no idea. FreeBSD got (and still gets, i.e. pulls from vendor) some pretty important code from Solaris; Solaris got its WiFi stack from FreeBSD, IIRC. On the other hand, there was some talk by the PostgreSQL guys about FreeBSD having the nice features of Solaris while avoiding the doubts about OpenSolaris future.
Posted Aug 4, 2010 18:12 UTC (Wed)
by drag (guest, #31333)
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No I really don't think so. I know the story about how Oracle was suppose to crank out these super fast database monster machines since now they can optimize everything from the hardware on up. But everything Oracle has done so far points to them simply not caring about that approach.
I think they will continue to hack around with Solaris and support Sparc as long as people will be willing to keep paying the support contracts, but they are not going to put a lot of money and effort into that approach. Organizations will continue to want Solaris and Sparc because that is what their applications require, but I really doubt anybody is aiming to revitalize the Sparc platform and make big new deployments on it.
I think what they care about is their vertical application stacks. A OS and hardware for them is simply a mechanism to host Java VMs and provide a way to interface with storage in order to run database software. That's just about it.
Does Java/Solaris really provide that big advantage over Java/Linux to justify putting the time and effort into maintaining two enterprise operating systems?
> Solaris is crucial for that - for the same reason AIX is crucial for IBM. Not so with Linux, btw, and we can expect Oracle to start doing what IBM is doing, i.e. push its own system instead of Linux.
Well Solaris/Sparc is certainly no AIX/POWER. IBM POWER trounced Sun in the high-end and Solaris/Sparc is no longer competitive. Poring money into the hardware platform and trying to compete with IBM head on is one of the reasons Sun is dead now and I do not think that Oracle is aiming to repeat history.
It seems likely that Oracle's approach to scalability now seems to be the clustering approach, which is Linux's bread and butter and cheap x86-based hardware has a clear advantage. The advantage to custom hardware in this situation is to provide high-speed interconnect, improve the hot swapping of hardware, improve cooling, and increase density... small fast drives, blade servers, and the like.
I think your misreading IBM a bit also. IBM is extremely mercenary and I don't think that IBM really cares what OS or what hardware your using as long as you get it from them and your paying the support contracts. They will recommend you use AIX or Linux or Windows based on your requirements and your ability to pay. I am sure that some IBM goons push AIX, but that may have to do with their sales commission more then anything else.
Posted Aug 4, 2010 20:41 UTC (Wed)
by paragw (guest, #45306)
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For one thing newer SPARC hardware is pretty competitive for Database or WebServer/Application Server type of workloads and Solaris 10 offers features that are nothing to sneeze at. After all what other 16-Core/128 Threads box with built in SSL acceleration can I buy for the price of a Sun T5240 for example?
For the Java+DB workload I think Solaris/SPARC does provide a big advantage over Linux/x86 mostly due to the newer SPARC hardware and Solaris 10 feature set - Zones/ZFS/DTrace etc. Then there is also the irrational fear of stability and scalability that decision makers get hung up on when it comes to choosing Linux/x86. It's either HP-UX/Itanium (increasingly so) or Solaris/SPARC for high end workloads.
I can see one problem though - with many ex-Sun Solaris Engineering folks leaving Oracle - that could slow down Solaris and thus SPARC.
Posted Aug 4, 2010 22:31 UTC (Wed)
by marcH (subscriber, #57642)
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Maybe this irrational fear is due to their laptop crashing when they up(!)grade the Linux distribution installed on it. Just before they reboot into Windows.
Posted Aug 4, 2010 23:12 UTC (Wed)
by nicooo (guest, #69134)
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Posted Aug 5, 2010 0:37 UTC (Thu)
by clump (subscriber, #27801)
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Posted Aug 5, 2010 12:19 UTC (Thu)
by lkundrak (subscriber, #43452)
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Posted Aug 5, 2010 21:07 UTC (Thu)
by trasz (guest, #45786)
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Posted Aug 5, 2010 23:08 UTC (Thu)
by nicooo (guest, #69134)
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Posted Aug 6, 2010 8:05 UTC (Fri)
by trasz (guest, #45786)
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Posted Aug 6, 2010 11:29 UTC (Fri)
by nix (subscriber, #2304)
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You really don't do any research at all before posting, do you?
Posted Aug 7, 2010 11:01 UTC (Sat)
by trasz (guest, #45786)
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Posted Aug 6, 2010 2:10 UTC (Fri)
by Doogie (guest, #59626)
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Posted Aug 6, 2010 8:06 UTC (Fri)
by trasz (guest, #45786)
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Posted Aug 5, 2010 0:49 UTC (Thu)
by drag (guest, #31333)
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Because against Intel and IBM it's a losing battle. That's all. If putting money into Sparc was such a good idea then Sun would of never gotten cheap enough to get purchased and we would not be having this discussion.
> For one thing newer SPARC hardware is pretty competitive for Database or WebServer/Application Server type of workloads and Solaris 10 offers features that are nothing to sneeze at. After all what other 16-Core/128 Threads box with built in SSL acceleration can I buy for the price of a Sun T5240 for example?
Well dual SMP Intel system will get you 16 cores, easily. Dual Opterons now offer 24 real processor cores. Both are available from many vendors at a cheaper price and their per-thread performance blows Sparc out of the water. As time goes by this trend is just going to get worse for Sparc.
That and, especially for the web, nothing comes close to clustering in terms of scalability.
Posted Aug 5, 2010 1:54 UTC (Thu)
by paragw (guest, #45306)
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It wasn't SPARC - post Niagara it has it's place in the market. It was the Sun Marketing folks. They never marketed the Niagara enough. And then there was the uncertainty associated with Sun's financials and their lack of a coherent sounding strategy. But since T1/T2 are here and T3 is upcoming, Financial uncertainty is gone, hopefully most of the bad Sun marketing people have been let go - there is no reason Oracle would like to shy away from SPARC in 2010.
If UltraSPARC T3 delivers on its promise we are talking massive amount of threads and cores - 16 cores 4 way SMP and 8 threads per core. Plus DDR3/16 Crypto Engines on board and a ton of per socket bandwidth (2.4 Tb/s) to feed all those threads. Sure per thread performance for T1/T2 may not be on par with Intel/AMD (or T3 might come closer who knows) but this stuff is exactly what web/db/java app server loads rock on.
You may be right that it still might get worse for SPARC depending on what Oracle has planned/how much they can deliver, how much they are going to be able to keep the Solaris momentum going and how fast Intel/AMD will catch up to T3 - but I think it's not clear that the end of road for SPARC is near yet.
Posted Aug 5, 2010 11:35 UTC (Thu)
by nim-nim (subscriber, #34454)
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If your reading of the Sparc market is as good as your reading of the Intanium market, then Sparc is trully dead.
Posted Aug 5, 2010 21:04 UTC (Thu)
by trasz (guest, #45786)
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Posted Aug 9, 2010 9:47 UTC (Mon)
by Cato (guest, #7643)
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Posted Aug 11, 2010 7:27 UTC (Wed)
by job (guest, #670)
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Posted Aug 9, 2010 9:44 UTC (Mon)
by Cato (guest, #7643)
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I would really like an open source NAS with ZFS's media scrubbing features - like many other people I have many TB of disk storage at home now, and the lack of media scrubbing is unfortunate.
Illumos launched as OpenSolaris derivative (The H)
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Indeed, and Debian/kFreeBSD shows signs of enabling ZFS to be used within a nice 'Linux-like' userland with APT: http://tucobsd.blogspot.com/2010/07/how-to-enable-zfs-on-debian-gnukfreebsd.html gives some details, and it's now just a matter of 'apt-get install zfs-utils' apparently.
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http://wiki.github.com/behlendorf/zfs/faq
ftp://crisp.dynalias.com/pub/release/website/dtrace/
Illumos launched as OpenSolaris derivative (The H)
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Nonexclusive licenses given for free are generally revocable, even if they purport to be irrevocable. Even if the GPL license is treated as signed and is covered by 205(e), it might still be revocable.
Yet more information here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_domain
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Illumos launched as OpenSolaris derivative (The H)
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IBM offering Solaris would be a epic PR failure for IBM
Illumos launched as OpenSolaris derivative (The H)
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http://www.oracle.com/technologies/linux/linux-tech-leade...
Illumos launched as OpenSolaris derivative (The H)
Illumos launched as OpenSolaris derivative (The H)
Illumos launched as OpenSolaris derivative (The H)
As I'm sure you are "aware", Oracle not only spends money to improve Linux, they also market Solaris specifically for IBM hardware. Simple, eh?
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