Debates on the future of Compiz
Is Compiz dying? Possibly not, but the consensus among developers of the compositing window manager seems to be that the project is in serious need of reorganization if it is going to survive.
Founded three years ago, Compiz quickly gained recognition as one of the first projects to deliver 3-D graphical effects on the desktop. Probably its best-known effect is the presentation of multiple workspaces on a rotating cube. The current state of the project dates from the merger of Compiz and Beryl, a fork of Compiz, at the end of March 2007.
Since then, development has been divided into two projects: Compiz, which includes the core functionality and basic plugins, and Compiz Fusion, which includes utilities and more plugins. In theory, the two projects were supposed to merge, but in practice, that has never happened. The projects still maintain separate web sites, mailing lists, and bug trackers, despite the fact that most developers of one project also work on the other.
The community appears to lack both organization and direction, with many developers working on their own branches of Compiz in secret rather than face endless discussion about their goals. Still other developers have drifted away from the project. Under these circumstances, the community has not only been unable to manage a 1.0 release, but, 18 months after the last stable release, is still struggling to complete version 0.8.
More recently, the community has been affected by the withdrawal of Compiz project leader David Reveman. Reveman's departure, apparently made without any official announcement, has led to a lack of leadership, since no experienced Compiz developer appears willing to assume the role of community organizer. Just as importantly, Reveman's refusal to respond to emails after his withdrawal has caused practical difficulties for other developers because much of the Compiz code base is undocumented.
The result is that Compiz, once seen as an exciting, leading-edge project is now being openly denigrated in some circles. For instance, one commenter on a recent Compiz video on YouTube wrote:
The situation came to a head in late December when developer Dennis Kasprzyk announced the creation of a new compiz++ code branch. This new branch is written in C++ as opposed to the C programming language of the main branch, and would require numerous changes in the behavior of plugins. A few days later, Kasprzyk's announcement motivated Kristian Lyngstol, another developer, to begin a thread on the Compiz mailing list on "The Future of Compiz." This thread was echoed in an article called "Compiz is dying and we need to fix it" by Kevin Lange. Since then, discussions about the state of Compiz have emerged on numerous other mailing lists, especially those dedicated to specific distributions.
According to Lyngstol, "there has been the equivalent of no progress
since the merger. We've basically been in maintenance mode. The reason for
this, from my point of view, is a complete lack of direction and
leadership.
"
Lyngstol sees several reasons for the current state of Compiz. To start
with, he suggests that project members have been waiting too long for
"something that will change everything,
" and the result has
been too many code branches, many of which are incompatible with each
other. "The reality is that all these branches are
counter-productive, regardless of how fun or flashy they are,
"
Lyngstol writes. He continues:
Next, Lyngstol notes that the community remains small, with less than 20
people contributing code, if the subscription list for Compiz-Fusion Planet is an
indication. In fact, Lyngstol writes, "Unless I'm missing something
obvious, we haven't seen a single new core developer that contributes
significantly to [the main branch] since the merge. We have, however, lost
a few.
"
Lyngstol goes on to suggest the reasons for the lack of developers. Because
the project has no direction, he writes, "all development and design
is done as a solo race. There's no way to know whether you can work on
something without losing your work because some obscure branch gets
merged.
"
Even worse, the merge of Compiz and Compiz-Fusion that was supposed to
happen never has, resulting in a duplication of effort that Lyngstol
describes as "messy
". Much the same state of chaos exists in
the code, which is both "undocumented
" and "not
particularly pretty
". Moreover, when new code is added, its functions
"do more than C functions should do
". But the basic problem,
according to Lyngstol, is that "Compiz is a research project
",
in a constant state of change and is not focused on producing a stable
release.
To solve this situation, Lyngstol suggests a merger of the various code
branches — or perhaps, an agreement that some or all are forks
— and some serious attention paid to project management. "We
should have clear goals for every major release,
" he writes,
"and finding those goals should be the top priority after a stable
release. For each point-release in a development series, we should also
have a clear goal. This will make it easier to predict releases and for
developers to help.
"
[PULL QUOTE: Perhaps the greatest indicator of the state of the Compiz community is not Lyngstol's critique, but the polite agreement with which it has been greeted so far. END QUOTE] Perhaps the greatest indicator of the state of the Compiz community is not Lyngstol's critique, but the polite agreement with which it has been greeted so far. To date, those who have responded to Lyngstol's posting have quibbled over the details of some of his points while not seriously contesting his overall observations or his suggested solutions.
Another, more unfortunate indicator is that, while posters have agreed that leadership and direction are needed, so far none of them have come forward to offer it. Instead, Lyngstol and several other active developers have gone out of their way to state that, while they would support change, they were unwilling or unable to take on any leadership role.
So far, no one has suggested possible external reasons for the diminishment of Compiz. But it may be that, now that the novelty of 3-D special effects have worn off, few reasons exist to develop them; the few practical effects, such as zooms, are too slight to encourage the majority to move away from standard 2-D desktops.
Another possible factor is that 3-D video drivers that are both stable and released under a free license are taking longer to arrive than anyone anticipated, and their lack reduced users' interest in projects like Compiz that require them.
Still another suggestion was made in an anonymous comment on Lange's article: Perhaps Compiz has served its purpose by proving that the free desktop could surpass Windows or OS X in eye candy. However, not everyone would agree — developer Quinn Storm, for example, posted a comment to the Compiz mailing list in which she makes clear that she thinks that Compiz has that goal, but has yet to reach it.
Whatever the reasons and whatever happens, one consolation is that, in free and open source software, nothing is really lost. But, as things stand now, with no one willing to assume the leadership of the project, a very strong possibility exists that the the Compiz will continue to diminish, with its members aware of the situation but unable or unwilling to change it.
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Posted Jan 8, 2009 3:02 UTC (Thu)
by filteredperception (guest, #5692)
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I just checked wikipedia which answered my confusion reading the article. I.e. that beryl was part of the merge, and that there doesn't appear to be an alternative... except android. It seems like it will take an OS that needs to fit on a cell phone, to truly dictate that things like zooming windows are absolute requirements. So I think once we see the same OS being used on our cell phones as our workstations, is the day when the motivation will be in place to have a rock solid 3D desktop implementation.
$0.02...
Posted Jan 8, 2009 3:28 UTC (Thu)
by pynm0001 (guest, #18379)
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http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/KWin/4.0-release-notes#W...
Posted Jan 8, 2009 8:32 UTC (Thu)
by aleXXX (subscriber, #2742)
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The "still" is not necessary in this sentence :-)
Alex
Posted Jan 8, 2009 9:45 UTC (Thu)
by njs (subscriber, #40338)
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Unfortunately, real zooming windows as seen in the iPhone aren't hung up on details of Compiz development or GPU drivers, but something worse: an annoying low-level limitation of X's architecture. To get real zooming, you need to munge windows on their way to the display -- that's easy, we have it -- and you also need to munge mouse events on their way back to the window (to rescale the coordinates). This is a big mess, because of the interaction between the compositing manager (who knows how the X events should be munged) and X grabs (which can lock out clients, including the compositing manager, during input handling). Last I checked the X folks have given up on dealing with this for now...
Posted Jan 10, 2009 5:59 UTC (Sat)
by lonely_bear (subscriber, #2726)
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Posted Jan 8, 2009 5:36 UTC (Thu)
by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
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It also consistently fouls up video playback, even on Intrepid and Fedora 10.
I guess the one good thing about Compiz is how easy it is to turn off.
Posted Jan 8, 2009 7:36 UTC (Thu)
by tajyrink (subscriber, #2750)
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Posted Jan 8, 2009 15:27 UTC (Thu)
by me@jasonclinton.com (subscriber, #52701)
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With DRI2, rendering contexts just work the way you'd expect.
Posted Jan 9, 2009 16:50 UTC (Fri)
by daenzer (subscriber, #7050)
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DRI2 is indeed a requirement for properly integrating accelerated client OpenGL rendering output with a compositing manager though.
Posted Jan 9, 2009 16:55 UTC (Fri)
by daenzer (subscriber, #7050)
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Can you elaborate? If you're referring to the old-school rubberband effect, that certainly isn't the only option, and I don't think it was enabled by default for me either. Maybe you're actually seeing a distribution default configuration issue?
FWIW I'm enjoying smooth and quite snappy opaque window resizing with compiz.
Posted Jan 17, 2009 19:48 UTC (Sat)
by bronson (subscriber, #4806)
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Posted Jan 8, 2009 10:08 UTC (Thu)
by jpetso (subscriber, #36230)
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Posted Jan 8, 2009 15:23 UTC (Thu)
by marduk (subscriber, #3831)
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Posted Jan 8, 2009 16:23 UTC (Thu)
by mrfredsmoothie (guest, #3100)
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I like eye candy, but not enough to make it be the primary criteria by which I select a window manager.
Posted Jan 10, 2009 0:20 UTC (Sat)
by Tet (guest, #5433)
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Posted Jan 10, 2009 15:24 UTC (Sat)
by kirkengaard (guest, #15022)
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Except for the fact that KDE has gone the built-in-effects-library route for themselves, in a big and usable KDE-internal way, and lobbying freedesktop.org to make it a standard library will just make it a Gnome compile necessity, something Gnome is just *begging* for more of.
(Cue flames from the remaining FVWM users out there... :) )
The free software ecosystem is like any other evolutionary environment, in that it pursues all branches into all niches, and lets the environmental and competitive constraints do the pruning. We've seen it before, and we'll see it again. A project's value proposition is a description of the niche value, not the value of the specific code that occupies it. Competition is for niche occupancy, and maybe the niche is taken, in which case the survival option is to evolve to a niche that is more available.
Posted Jan 10, 2009 15:50 UTC (Sat)
by Tet (guest, #5433)
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For me, it's essential. Whether people realise it or not, they're still
using a window manager, even if they're using GNOME or KDE. And having
a capable window manager makes the user much more productive.
Perhaps that's why I'm one of those remaining FVWM users you mentioned...
Posted Jan 15, 2009 14:23 UTC (Thu)
by Luyseyal (guest, #15693)
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is still being actively worked on and maintained.
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I installed OpenSUSE 11.1 with KDE 4.1 on my notebook and everything just
worked out of the box, including all the 3D effects, completely
integrated with the DE. The effect are not only the desktop cube, but
also translucent windows, e.g. a translucent panel, which does make
sense, grayed out windows if a modal dialog is open (very useful),
overview over all desktops and more.
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> Didn't dragging the outline of a window go away in the mid-90s. (yes, I
> know that there are esoteric ways of fixing this on some machines but
> enabled by default)
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anytime, but I had no idea that Compiz faces such a desperate situation.
LWN coverage ftw!
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WM vs. Library
WM vs. Library
WM vs. Library
And, in this age of desktop environments, how valuable is the WM paradigm, anyways?
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