The Holy And Devine Free Market, Savior of All
The Holy And Devine Free Market, Savior of All
Posted Oct 17, 2008 16:20 UTC (Fri) by Ed_L. (guest, #24287)In reply to: The Holy And Devine Free Market, Savior of All by rev
Parent article: Bruce Perens: A Vertical Market Seeks Open Standards (Datamation)
Actually and all sarcasm aside, Rev is quite correct. Back in University I did a year of Econ 101 from Paul Samuelson's classic text. One of the best courses I ever did. After the second semester's final, our instructor was "Congratulations. It may sober you to realize that you have now acquired more formal economic training than 95% of all persons who have ever served in the U.S. Congress."
But I digress. One thing I did learn is that Smith's "Invisible Hand" is no more than Newton-type optimization working against local market parameters, and it only works optimally (for the consumer) where you actually have a free market. Where there is "sufficient competition", goods providers optimize their own profits by providing the lowest cost to the consumer of those goods.
Likewise, you can also show (maths) that a monopoly or oligopoly, acting to optimize its profits, will end up selling its goods at a price higher than what would be obtained from more competition. This is the basis of laws intended to promote competition, and while some of the econ staff on the committees that drafted those statutes may have understood their basis and limitations, such was most likely lost on the majority of those who actually voted them into law.
In the classical econ sense, the "higher price" exacted by monopolies is measured in dollars (Newton optimization). But its not hard to visualize the concept as extending to other forms of "higher cost" to the consumer society as well.
And as our instructor also pointed out: "The reason we economists always hold up the winter red wheat market as the poster child for free market economics is because by today ('74)the winter red wheat market is probably the only market that remains, in the classical sense, free."
As Rev alludes, the absolute worst excesses of Capitalism were perpetrated by unregulated monopolies and oligopolies. Standard Oil, meat packing in the presence of essentially unlimited labor supply (Upton Sinclair), the Irish potato famine. From which resulted Karl Marx, the Sherman Antitrust Act and its offspring, child labor laws, railroad and mining safety laws and their latter-day OSHA and EPA offspring, and government protection of workers' right to unionize. No, today's market is in no way "free", and we are all better off for it. Doesn't mean capitalism can't, shouldn't, and doesn't act to (locally) optimize profits and wealth. But it is, and must be, a constrained local optimization.
Government must (and does) set at least some of those constraints. And as for long-term global optimization? Not part of classical Adam Smith economics. Requires foresight and willingness to sacrifice short-term profit for long-term gains, both of which a classical "free" market abjectly lacks.
And in the sense that all these optimization concepts are eminently subject to computer modeling, they remain in that sense "on-topic" at LWN. Whether or not they're worth hijacking a Bruce Perens thread is a matter of subjective opinion. :-)
Posted Oct 17, 2008 20:07 UTC (Fri)
by zotz (guest, #26117)
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Yes? No? Why?
Now, whether this is a good thing or not is another discussion.
all the best,
drew
Posted Oct 19, 2008 21:10 UTC (Sun)
by Max.Hyre (subscriber, #1054)
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What we have here (in corporations) is a way to allow
money to band together to reinforce its power. A corporation
with a hundred thousand
stockholders in for $100 each is vastly more powerful
than a hundred thousand random people with the price of a couple
of tanks of gas. They do this by joining a
governmentally-approved, nay, -encouraged money
amplifier.
The symmetry: a union. A way to allow a few hundred, a
few thousand, or more
people to band together to reinforce their power.
It's obvious that one is for people with money, and the
other for those without.
In a free market, wouldn't they be equally supported?
The Holy And Devine Free Market, Savior of All
The natural market equilibrium, suppressed by almost all
Can we say that a market in which limited liability corporations operate is a free market? Some of the players have unlimited liability while others have government granted limited liability. That right there puts the players on an unequal footing and it is the governments doing.
There seems to be a symmetry here that I've never managed to
describe succinctly—so you get the prolix one.