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mathstuf — Sun, 16 Sep 2012 15:53:07 +0000

I'd certainly be interested in a git-backed hledger. I store my files as:

main.journal # Include $year.journal
$year.journal # Set the year, include $year/$month.journal
$year/$month.journal # Sorted by effective date then by account

in git. Having hledger do auto-commit when things balance would be great since the commits tend to just have messages like "Receipts up to $date" and "Reconcile with $account up to $date" anyway.

Conservancy runs only Free Software for its own operations

clint — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 18:40:03 +0000

There is a somewhat-low-priority project to add an optional filestore backend to hledger-lib (which would introduce support for Git, Darcs, and Mercurial). Presumably when ledger 4 is rewritten in Haskell, it could do the same thing.

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bkuhn — Tue, 11 Sep 2012 13:55:12 +0000

hledgerweb really supports only a small fraction of what ledger can do, and the most important thing is an extra-ledger issue: it needs to use a repository system on the backend for it to be useful at all to Conservancy.

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mathstuf — Mon, 10 Sep 2012 21:33:39 +0000

> Long-term, we want to have a web interface that will allow a bookkeeper without Unix CLI and Emacs experience to keep the books.

Have you tried hledger-web? A demo is available[1]. I uses ledger's data format (but doesn't support everything), but it might[2] be easier than starting from scratch.

[1]http://demo.hledger.org/register
[2]Depends on Haskell/Yesod familiarity.

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bkuhn — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 17:44:21 +0000

akumria, Yes, for internal operations, Conservancy uses only Free Software. We don't impose this rule on our projects per se (although we urge them to). We wont' accept a project that develops proprietary software, but if they use proprietary software in said development, we bug them about it and try to get them to change, but we don't mandate that. After all, Samba developers have to test against Microsoft's stuff to make sure their code works.

But, that's admittedly a special case. A better example is that many of our projects use Eventbrite for registration to their conferences hosted by Conservancy, and many use Github to host their projects. Both platforms are proprietary network services (including installing proprietary Javascript onto your machine when you use them). I make our projects aware of this issue, but if they want to use these services, Conservancy doesn't forbid it. We recently had a project (the discussion is public) that's considering using a proprietary CI system as well, which we urged them not to but ultimately won't stop them if they do.

Meanwhile, for internal operations, Conservancy is 100% Free Software shop. njwhite is correct that Ledger has been a big part of that since around 2007 (when we switch to it from GNUCash). Conservancy is actually doing some upstream work with Ledger now (as of this week) to initially add some reporting scripts to contrib/. Long-term, we want to have a web interface that will allow a bookkeeper without Unix CLI and Emacs experience to keep the books. (I currently keep the books of Conservancy myself; in part because of that issue and in part because we don't have funding to hire a bookkeeper anyway. I'm working to solve the latter (please donate :), but the former will still be a problem even if we get the funding.

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njwhite — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 15:21:34 +0000

Unsuprisingly, given it's Bradley, it's marvellously free software-y. Information about the code running the website, including links to the source, is at http://sfconservancy.org/about/license/

I'm pretty sure they also use ledger (or possibly some variant of it) for all accounting. I remember Bradley chatting a while ago about features he wanted or needed. He will probably fill you in more on how they do stuff.

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ersi — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 07:57:01 +0000

Might be a mistake - might not be.

Sometimes, happenings like this might get people to consider subscribing up - finding out how nice it is to get full, well-written articles timely.

(Which indeed is, very freckin' nice!)

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akumria — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 04:02:52 +0000

Is the conservancy able to run itself entirely on Free Software?

If not, e.g. accounting systems, is any money ear-marked that might progress things so that it can?

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bkuhn — Fri, 07 Sep 2012 00:24:42 +0000

Thanks for the article about my talk. I'd like to note that all these fundraising campaigns are ongoing and work is ongoing, and we'd love for people to donate to support them!

Mercurial donations are welcome to support Matt Mackall's work; PyPy's Py3K, Numpy and Transactional Memory campaigns are still going, and a Twisted donation form is on their left sidebar.

Of course, each of Conservancy's member projects accepts earmarked donations, and you can also donate to Conservancy's general fund, which goes directly to support salaries of our staff to keep Conservancy running.

More information about Conservancy is available on our website, including a full list of member projects and a list of what benefits they get and how new projects can apply.

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noxxi — Thu, 06 Sep 2012 19:22:09 +0000

you should probably not post the full content of a $ article into the RSS feed :)