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TizenConf: Pitching HTML5 as a development framework

Duncan — Fri, 18 May 2012 05:53:33 +0000

> 2. for HTML5 apps, how can a developer secure his own work, as html5/javascript can be viewed/copied freely from the browser in source format?

You're asking this on a FLOSS-friendly site? Why are you trying to interfere with the four freedoms, (0) the freedom to run the program for any purpose, (1) the freedom to study how the program works and to change it to make it do as the user wishes, (2) the freedom to redistribute copies to help one's neighbor, and (3) the freedom to improve the program and to release modifications/improvements to the public for community benefit? Freedoms one and three require sources.

Why are you disrespecting your users and the community in general to the point of trying to interfere with these freedoms?

Further, without the sources, how am I as a potential user supposed to fairly evaluate the chance of your now black-box to damage my system or existing data, in ordered to agree to the traditional waive of such damages, or do you perhaps take full liability for such damages, or do you so disrespect your users as to rob them of their ability to make such agreements on a fair basis, with the ability to know just what code they're agreeing to be responsible for?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Free_Software_Definition...

TizenConf: Pitching HTML5 as a development framework

landley — Thu, 17 May 2012 18:42:50 +0000

As far as I can tell, Tizen is an excuse for Intel is try to convince Samsung (the largest Android vendor) to produce Atom phones instead of Arm.
Is there anything to indicate there's more to it than this?

The HTML5 aspect reminds me of OS/2's push into Java: "It's ok to safely ignore this platform during your development, it's not like you have to do a _port_ to us or anything, and then when (if) you do get around to testing on us and find out about write-once-debug-everywhere you'll become convinced we're a buggy piece of crap because we're not the reference platform you developed on".

Then there's the "dinosaurs mating" history of all this: Nokia's Maemo merged with Intel's Moblin to form Meego because Maemo and Moblin were both dying. Then that merged with the Limo consortium (these guys: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2258992,00.asp) to form Tizen because Limo was pointless. Saying that the result has significantly fewer users/developers than its components did is NOT a good sign.

Don't get me started on "all the developers of this 'open source' project work at the same company, just like Mozilla under AOL or Open Office under Sun!" Making independent contributors second class citizens doesn't do good things to your code quality...

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kragil — Thu, 17 May 2012 08:52:04 +0000

Exactly my thoughts.
The whole HTML apps story looks _very_ unfinished/shitty and Intel is just a lying, not trustworthy evil megacorp that has a long long history of f''k''g with people. Add to that "carrier interests" for "controlled app stores" BS and you have biggest crap you can imagine.
Compared to Intel and carriers Google is a pure saint of a company, although I don't like them.
This platform is so utterly dead long before it started, devs who invest in it are probably insane or non existent (atm it seems to be 100% the latter)

TizenConf: Pitching HTML5 as a development framework

domo — Wed, 16 May 2012 11:46:54 +0000

To install Tizen SDK 1.0 on 64-bit Linux system you could try this.

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Tet — Sat, 12 May 2012 20:08:35 +0000

In brief, the Tizen community at the moment is small [...] But that is to be expected, she said, primarily because it is hard to build excitement about a platform before consumer devices are available

No, not really. I see it more a case of going from a good developer experience with Maemo to a good but different one with MeeGo, and then to a shitty one with Tizen. It's hard to build excitement about a platform where you're forcing developers down a route that doesn't make sense. Seriously. I have no interest in developing for a platform like that. HTML5 gives much hope for the web. But a mobile device is not the web, and trying to pretend it is because it's buzzword compliant is a terrible decision. You had two chances, and got it nearly right on both of them. You got it very wrong with the third one, and I'm not going to waste my time on it.

TizenConf: Pitching HTML5 as a development framework

n8willis — Fri, 11 May 2012 13:07:58 +0000

I don't think agreeing on W3C web APIs should be conflated with "joining B2G." The runtimes are different (perhaps very different), and when the web runtime is the entire platform, that's a big deal.

Nate

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chefebe — Thu, 10 May 2012 19:00:22 +0000

http://www.engadget.com/2012/05/08/tizen-developer-phone-...

Another change of course

Aissen — Thu, 10 May 2012 16:37:54 +0000

With regards to B2G, maybe the common point is that they are both
> part of the W3C's new Core Mobile Web Platform Group
http://coremob.org/

As long as they agree on standard APIs…

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Aissen — Thu, 10 May 2012 16:32:29 +0000

From the article:
> Samsung distributed mobile developer devices to registered attendees.

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robbe — Thu, 10 May 2012 14:55:26 +0000

Maybe they should take a leaf out of Google's book and hand out cheap/gratis devices to developers. Samsung is squeezing out mobiles like crazy, so if there is anything non-vaporish to Tizen they should be able to fit it onto one of these.

Giving away ten thousand phones is probably small beer compared to the marketing money poured into Tizen already.

Another change of course

man_ls — Thu, 10 May 2012 11:51:41 +0000

Exactly my thoughts. What are the differences with the OpenWebDevice, how compatible will the applications be, and why should users care?

Above all, why bother re-orienting a platform which has changed directions a hundred times before, and chasing another set of tail-lights for a few cycles before deciding on a new target? And they complain that there are few developers, because mysteriously people don't trust them. Odd!

TizenConf: Pitching HTML5 as a development framework

fabo — Thu, 10 May 2012 10:00:51 +0000

There's a Tizen manifest for repo, contributed by a 3rd party developer:
https://gitorious.org/tizen-toys/tizen-manifest

Last time I tried, it failed but it seems he committed some recent updates.

TizenConf: Pitching HTML5 as a development framework

Aissen — Thu, 10 May 2012 08:44:47 +0000

> The animation framework is based on OpenGL ES and the Emotion scene graph library provided by the Enlightenment Foundation Libraries (EFL),
Evas is the scene graph library. Emotion is a media library to play audio/video with gstreamer/xine/libvlc backends.

TizenConf: Pitching HTML5 as a development framework

djc — Thu, 10 May 2012 06:42:27 +0000

If they're going to go the HTML/JS route for apps, might as well join Mozilla on B2G...

TizenConf: Pitching HTML5 as a development framework

xxiao — Thu, 10 May 2012 02:30:56 +0000

1. While I can build tizen packages, there is no instruction on how to pull things together, i.e. 'git clone tizen&& make', it's not an open project per se.
2. for HTML5 apps, how can a developer secure his own work, as html5/javascript can be viewed/copied freely from the browser in source format?
3. the SDK is 32bit only.