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SCO Group Gains Psychological Edge (ZDNet)

Wol — Wed, 30 Jul 2003 12:35:38 +0000

Just sent Dan a friendly note (him of kindly saying SCO has put the cart before the horse) pointing out that if a user coughs up to SCO, they may actually be digging themselves even deeper in the horse-manure, because they've just admitted that the GPL no longer applies to the kernel. Therefore they need to acquire licences from all the other copyright holders as well as SCO ...

Cheers,
Wol

SCO Group Gains Psychological Edge (ZDNet)

walterbyrd — Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:04:04 +0000

>>Didio is an idiot. <<

Or is she a shill? Easy to say McBride, Sontag, and Stowell are idiots. But, they're all laughing all the way to the bank. Also Yorrda, and the rest of the Canopy crimminals.

I challenge

walterbyrd — Tue, 29 Jul 2003 21:00:48 +0000

I have already challenged Scox to sue me. I sent then an email from their web-site sco.com. And I called the number I found on the yahoo profile, when the recieptionist answered I asked for the legal department, I left a message with a Mr. Tibbets, or something like that. Predictably, scox has not responded.

I challenge

mmarq — Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:35:40 +0000

I use Linux for personal computing and i for my business activitys,...perhaps here is not the best place, but i want publicly in this forum to challenge SCO to try to make me pay any fee or persecute me in legal action in face of an obvious denial...

This is not FUD, and is as serious as SCO is...

So i beg anyone help to know the emails or other contacts of Directors in charge at SCO, so that i can "turn myself in"... and for the same matter of Laura DiDio, because it is very uncivilased to let anyone die in such delusion.

Mario Alberto Marques
mmarq@netvisao.pt
Portugal
Setubal

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stumbles — Tue, 29 Jul 2003 20:00:53 +0000

Didio is an idiot.

Informative post about Yankee Group and Didio

walterbyrd — Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:29:04 +0000

I don't usually cross-post. But I found this informative post about Didio on yahoo message boards. Worth a read.
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My letter to Yankee. Didiot's ba-aack
by: pro_coder (31/M/Toronto, Ontario, Canada) 07/26/03 07:37 pm
Msg: 21427 of 21980

I sent the letter to the sales group, couldn't find a better address on their site to send it. If you find a better address at Yankee, let me know.

I found a Yankee Group analysis with glaring factual errors and many misleading statements.
If you are not the person to report these things to please respond and inform me who is.

h01p : //yankeegroup.com/public/home/daily_viewpoint.jsp?ID=10410

provable, egregious factual errors first
1. The very first line "The SCO Group lawsuit against IBM for copyright infringement"

There is no copyright violation case, it's a contractual dispute. This has been pointed out by numerous commentators on many occasions. [1]

2. "SCO claims it comes directly from UNIX System V?the copyrights it owns"

SCO has made no such claims. SCO concedes that IBM possesses the copyrights for most of the code in question, including RCU, JFS, SMP. And SGI possesses copyrights on NUMA.

SCO has also not accused IBM of contributing the infamous "80 lines".

3. "The Yankee Group strongly urges IBM Linux licensees to contact SCO."

There are no "IBM Linux licensees". IBM does not "license" Linux. There is no "IBM Linux" to be licensed. Sam Palmisano was very insistent on this, that IBM would not create an "IBM Linux" to compete with RedHat or SuSe.

IBM installs RedHat or SuSe on some servers that it sells while IBM Services may support a Linux installation, but again, there is no IBM Linux. There are no "IBM Linux licensees".

IBM does not "license" Linux.

Next, statements made in the analysis with no evidence offered, but with much publicly-available data that points to the exact opposite conclusion."

1. "There are strong indications that the industry at large takes SCO?s claims seriously."
Ms Didio does not point to a single public statement by any corporation (other than those who stand to gain directly by SCO's actions). And she ignores a mountain of evidence that shows that this assertion is plainly wrong. Corporate adoption of Linux since the whole SCO business started has been astounding, with new announcements of contract wins occuring almost daily.

2. "Wall Street sees it that way. SCO?s stock soared nearly 15 percent on the news. It jumped $2.82 and was trading at $14.77"
The gold-standard test for "wall street confidence" is that options become available from brokerages. The fact that this has not happened is a good indication that "wall street" has zero confidence in SCO.

And there are many reasons to back up this reading that "Wall street" has zero confidence in SCO.
- Volumes are extremely small.
- Institional ownership in SCO has been going down.
- There is a massive amount of dumping, of run-for-the-exits from SCO insiders. Many times in the last month SCO insider selling accounted for 10% of total volume.
____

And a highly imprudent recommendation.
"Yankee Group strongly urges IBM Linux licensees to contact SCO. It doesn?t cost anything to have the conversation and determine the cost of their binary Linux license offering."

Is it Yankee Group's position that giving one's name and corporate IT information freely to a possible offensive litigant is a good thing to do?

So if SCO has absolutely no knowledge of some company, is Yankee group really recommending to such companies that they phone SCO and tell SCO "we're using Linux, take down our name and address and our patterns of Linux usage so you can pursue us in the future with more threats".

Is that really Yankee Group's position? Is that really a prudent action?

Interesting that Ms Didio feels the need to include this statement -
"Linux community to work overtime promoting their respective points of view to influence the opinions of corporate customers, the media, and analysts. Such posturing is designed to make one or the other party blink" [2]

Does Ms Didio consider it "posturing" when people point out concrete factual errors?
Does Ms Didio consider it "posturing" when people point out obviously misleading statements which have no basis in publicly available information?

And this is especially instructive.
"In the interim, the case will be tried in the court of public opinion."
"Would It not be in Yankee Group's interest and in the public interest that your published works be accurate? That these works add value to the debate and not make factual errors and baseless assertions?

[1] To anyone who has followed this case, the opening statement will elicit either howls of laughter or a sense of befuddled wonderment, accompanied by the thoughts " ??????? what ???? ?????? "

[2] Perhaps an attempt at self-inemnification?

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ccchips — Tue, 29 Jul 2003 16:04:43 +0000

I would love to be a fly on the wall in some of that idiot's meetings. This is all part of a power-grab and stock manipulation scheme, and she'r right in there with them.

Sad to say, she's making it clear that she doesn't actually need to know anything substantiol about the situation to get away with this nonsense.

I wait for the day when people like that routinely pay for their behavior--not just in this industry, but in all walks of life.

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josh_stern — Tue, 29 Jul 2003 15:43:46 +0000

Ms. DiDio demonstrates the full extent of her competency as
an analyst by apparently failing to realize that there is
no such thing as IBM Linux or an "IBM Linux licensee".