LWN: Comments on "OpenSUSE searches for its strategy"

Comparison with Ubuntu

tfheen — Thu, 17 Jun 2010 20:46:35 +0000

It's curious to note how people seem unhappy about the close ties between Novell and OpenSUSE while it's seldom to hear similar complaints about Canonical and Ubuntu. Sure, they exist, they're just not that common, except for the cases where Mark comes up with an idea people dislike and then use his position to push it through.

OpenSUSE searches for its strategy

nlucas — Fri, 11 Jun 2010 09:54:42 +0000

It can't be 10.04, as I installed it from scratch on the computer I am right now and that doesn't happen. "Copy" is "Shift+Ctrl+C" (in older versions it had no shortcut, only "Paste" had "Shift+Ctrl+V").

I replied because I'm concerned it will be in the 10.10 version, but there is only an alpha version recently released (the first one of the 10.10 pre-releases).

As a developer I always have multiple terminals open and never saw that before.

OpenSUSE searches for its strategy

vblum — Fri, 11 Jun 2010 08:58:02 +0000

Default terminal (Gnome) that can be reached by using the menus on a freshly installed Ubuntu system. This was clearly the case with the version that was current a few weeks ago (which is now discarded on my computer), it was a matter of opening the terminal, running something longish (du -sk /* might do) and typing crtl-c ... only by changing the keyboard defaults - yes, possible - could the correct behaviour be restored).

Sure, not a terrible thing in itself, it's just a bit startling if things of this kind suddenly no longer "just work".

OpenSUSE searches for its strategy

nlucas — Fri, 11 Jun 2010 06:44:39 +0000

Never seen any Ubuntu terminal with Ctrl+C used for "Copy". Care to elaborate?

I have my own bag of things I dislike about Ubuntu (left window buttons is a recent example), but that case in particular seems too strange.

OpenSUSE searches for its strategy

vblum — Thu, 10 Jun 2010 19:21:50 +0000

Maybe I've gotten too used to it, but in terms of quality, OpenSUSE still does an excellent job. Installed OpenSUSE on a virtual machine a few days ago, and there it is, the perfect development environment. No problems so far, 11.2 worked out of the box.

Whoever came up with replacing crtl-c by "copy" in Ubuntu Terminal, for example? Disabling ctrl-c for a terminal user is just about the stupidest thing you can do (read: GUI users do not use a terminal anyway, if you're using one, you want to be able to abort a command from time to time with the standard command, not something catered to an audience of Windows converts)

OpenSUSE might want to market its former focus on quality more, if anything, and invest in delivering as consistent a user experience as possible. And some additional marketing wouldn't hurt Ubuntu didn't get its fame for naught. The only Linux distro ads I've ever seen on the Berlin U-Bahn (subway train) system were Ubuntu release ads.

... end rant ... :)

OpenSUSE searches for its strategy

jengelh — Thu, 10 Jun 2010 12:22:58 +0000

>Who is the target user?

http://picpaste.de/distro-plot.png ?

OpenSUSE searches for its strategy

tajyrink — Thu, 10 Jun 2010 11:49:20 +0000

I'd like to hear also a strategy/roadmap specifically for YaST. It is simply old-fashioned and I think it should be trimmed down considerably (when upstream tools available) and more integrated part of the DE:s usual configuration tools. Of course all of this ties with the mentioned threat of YaST development being stalled in the document.

OpenSUSE searches for its strategy

halla — Thu, 10 Jun 2010 07:09:52 +0000

For me, the way OpenSUSE makes my development work on Krita and KOffice possible is its unique selling point. Only with OpenSUSE does my tablet always work, do both my laptops suspend, does cmake do the right thing when I do a make install/fast, is it easy to keep my KDE development environment up to date. There are niggles -- llvm, which is used extensively in Krita, is too old, I do need rather a lot of repositories. But the combination of excellent hardware support, good KDE support and excellent support for my development tools makes me productive as a free software developer. I've tried other distributions, and people in the Krita team have tried other distributions, but they are always mentioning this or that problem on our irc channel.